dgHotLava

Yeah, I went ahead and bought it...sucker born every minute, right!!!
Well, I was on the phone ordering the pulley from my dist. and i asked about the fuel rail. done deal....got both

the new fuel rail came in. I took it out of the box to inspect it...
blue anodized rail and a hefty SS braided line about 20 inches long
first issue was the rial had the name ALTA etched into it...(well Alta turns out to be the parent company of Perrin)

so, time came to install it...

Their instructions are very simple...
basically:

Remove engine cover.
Remove two 12mm bolts holding down the rail
Remove the 10mm bolt holding the line at the side of the block.
Disconnect the fuel line at the firewall
Attach the new line
Bolt the rail in place...
Put back engine cover.
DONE!!! (well, not quite that easy)

The fuel rail goes through this hoop on the motor..
The valve cover has this hook protruding from it and it meets the cylinder head forming a hoop

Well the rail will not fit through the hoop...the rail has a hard line and it meets a flex coil hose and that meets the hard line at the firewall...

The disconnect fitting on the stock fuel rail does not fit through the hoop either...
where the fuel rail hard line meets the flex coil there is a connection. it is not meant to come apart, you gotta use a bunch of screw drives and pics....
well that got the fuel rail out ....
Now does the Perrin one fit??
Yes!!! The fuel line of the Perrin one fits through the hoop....
go to push the rail down on the injectors and it would not line up with the bolt holes that hold down the rail....
it turns out the hoop was hitting the end of the rail....

I wanted to get this to fit. Come hell or high water it was going on...

So, i decided to investigate what was up with the hoop, did it have a function...
remove the ground wire kit (optional)
remove the ignition coils
remove the valve cover...

well the hoop does not serve any function that i can tell, it's not for hoisting the motor as its only on the valve cover

so, lets break out the hacksaw (it is aluminum)
cut off the hook from the valve cover.

Reinstall the valve cover, ignition packs, grounding kit....
install the rail onto the injectors (pinched one o-ring....fixed that.) run the stainless steel braided line to the fire wall fuel line (forming the flex coil)

well the stock connection has a security keeper, well putting this on the new rail breaks the plastic ring that is meant to release the line...
after checking that the now broken plastic ring will not cause a problem, i put the security keeper back in place and zip tied it (just in case..)

cross fingers....turn on the key, pressurize the line...no leaks....
say a prayer.....start car....it stalls
curse....start car again....it lives...still no leaks....

300 miles later and its leak free...

Sorry for the long story, but I wanted to give a clear idea of what happened.....
did not take pics, but i have a spare motor that i can show the hoop...

Opinion...no detectable performance gains (was not expecting any)
it does not have the purge protector that the stock one does.
i had the fuel light come on today, the car started to surge and pulse. this did not happen with the stock one...
not for dress up as it is covered up...except the SS braided hose...

Should allow for upgrades in the future and better control of tuning....

mikochu

Seems kind of janked in my opinion. Not much of a "plug and play" install like Perrin states on their site. I think they really need to brush up in their R&D department...

dgHotLava

yeah, i am gonna call them on monday or tuesday....

i did the install on sat, so i didn't think it would help....

design wise, it does fit...
install wise, it is a lot more that they say...

squirrel

Guest

Thanks for the write up dgHotLava! Thats a big help to a lot of people. Your sacrafice is our gain and we thank you for that. :D

Munch

After that pulley fiasco, I'm not ordering anything else from Perrin. But thanks for the heads up. I'm sure the Scion peeps are thankful .

koalaty2

Very nice write-up. Hope the pulley went on very easy. You did what needed to be done to get it installed.

Scott17

I honestly can't see why anyone would buy stuff like that. The stock fuel rail is not the most restrictive part of the fuel system. If you have a motor that requires more fuel than the stock fuel system can provide, I wanna see it! One more thing to add to my "don't do ____ but got yer money list"!

dgHotLava

the pulley went on real easy....loosen two belts, one bolt...

the fuel rail is not for everone...i do have a boosted motor, larger fuel pump, injectors... i did not want the no.1 cyl to lean out (it is the farthest from the feed line)
granted the conditions for leaning it out are extreme, i wanted the extra security....

dgHotLava

some pics added...

xAlex

thank you! one less thing i have to obsess about buying

PERRIN_ADAM

Please I hope that dgHotLava will take no offense here. The fuel line needs to be ran through the hole first then bolted down. If you try to bolt it down first then run the line it won't fit. You do NOT have to cut any portion of the valve cover to make it fit. (My personal xB is at home today and I will bring it in tomorrow to take the photos. I will attempt to post them here late tomorrow.)

If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me directly!

Thank you to everyone!

mikochu

dgHotLava

i did try that....(not as dumb as you think i am..)
i thought that i would remove the valve cover, install the rail, then put the valve cover back on. if the hoop was just in the way of getting the injectors to line up...it would be ok once it was bolted down.
but after the rail was bolted down, i laid the valve cover back on top. it still hit the feed line coming off the rail....
so it was three choices...
1. put back the stock one....
2. grind off the part that hits the rail...
3. cut that bloody hook off...(i admit, i took the drastic route....lol)

now, i did post this in a rush...to be fair, it could be an isolated issue that i have...
i have a feeling that the casting for my valve cover was not perfect and thats all...

i am talking to perrin to amend the instructions. (to include what adam stated above...)
i am going to send them photos of the installed product.
i could have an incorrect part...(would explain things....the rail did not have its own box or label to confirm this is the right part.)
so if its a mix up, its up to me to scream at the middle man who supplied this to me....

unlmtdndeavor

hey dgHotLava. are you gonna keep your stock fuel rail. i am in desperate need of one and toyota estimates 1-2 months before they can get one in from japan. if you dont mind, i wanna buy it off of you. let me know, thanks

mikochu

Dang, you still haven't gotten yours yet? It's been a while, huh?

unlmtdndeavor

i gave up on toyota parts department. 2 months to get a fuel rail....how can they not have 1 in the whole us. what if someones just broke one day...their car would be out for 2 months?..its rediculous. if i cant get this fuel rail i may just go pick up a used echo engine or something.

Scion05BOPxB

Pics?

Munch

I hate to sound like a pr*ck but, 2 days and counting . It seems to me that Perrin makes alot of promises that they don't keep.

dgHotLava

talked to Adam on the phone on tues...
he insists that the rail fits...i insist that it did not (maybe the casting for my valve cover is off a little. they do have more than one casting production line. if they did not, they could not make as many as they do!!!)
then i describe that the rail i have hits (or is very close) to the plug for the vvt device, and it is very close to hitting the hoop thing (remember i only cut the top part off, the bottom is still there...)
Adam says this is different from the one he put on his car...his is not as wide and clears everything...

all i can think of now is either i have the wrong fuel rail (it was not in a box, nor did it have a label...it was put into a bigger box with the crank pulley(the pulley did have its own box and label))
or perrin messed up....

this is my first time dealing with perrin, and am giving them the opertunity to work with this issue....better instructions are needed and the product needs to be verified...