obx throttle spacer
#21
Originally Posted by duck_dodgers_24_5
you know your pcv valve isn't functional with your currant set up
it needs a vacuum source for it to work properly...
it needs a vacuum source for it to work properly...
thats why when its not siting at a show, the long line is put
back on from the can to the intake. And it still throws lean
codes. PCV blowby is calculated in the PCM and figured into
air/fuel based on engine RPM, well not trully calculated, but
pre determined values are programmed into the PCM for any
given engine RPM. Sometimes even with just the catch can in
line, you can get a lean/rich code if there is any kind of long
term hard driving (i.e. a day at the track).Not to mention this setup
also creates a little more drag on piston movement due to
increased pressure (the vacuum actually helps this
movement too). Another thing it will do is create larger oil
deposit when under high load (the engine) and enough
pressure is built up and it gets forced through the "PCV
Breather Hose" (the one from the valve cover to the intake tube).
here's how Toyota explains it..
http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h63.pdf
GOTHBOX:
If you happen to be reading this..
I know I explained to you how to make this PCV setup, but after
long term "testing" and reconfiguring I have decided that this mod,
breather or not, just isn't worth the side effects. It has all become
merely for show. Actually if you pop my hood right now, you'll see
the factoery line back on.
(didn't mean to thread jack..)
#22
Originally Posted by street_TSE_lethal
Originally Posted by 172
updates?
its painted red, behind the TB..
It works, it's worth it, buy it.. IMO
Slight gain in the full range
#23
Originally Posted by street_TSE_lethal
Originally Posted by duck_dodgers_24_5
you know your pcv valve isn't functional with your currant set up
it needs a vacuum source for it to work properly...
it needs a vacuum source for it to work properly...
thats why when its not siting at a show, the long line is put
back on from the can to the intake. And it still throws lean
codes. PCV blowby is calculated in the PCM and figured into
air/fuel based on engine RPM, well not trully calculated, but
pre determined values are programmed into the PCM for any
given engine RPM. Sometimes even with just the catch can in
line, you can get a lean/rich code if there is any kind of long
term hard driving (i.e. a day at the track).Not to mention this setup
also creates a little more drag on piston movement due to
increased pressure (the vacuum actually helps this
movement too). Another thing it will do is create larger oil
deposit when under high load (the engine) and enough
pressure is built up and it gets forced through the "PCV
Breather Hose" (the one from the valve cover to the intake tube).
here's how Toyota explains it..
http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h63.pdf
GOTHBOX:
If you happen to be reading this..
I know I explained to you how to make this PCV setup, but after
long term "testing" and reconfiguring I have decided that this mod,
breather or not, just isn't worth the side effects. It has all become
merely for show. Actually if you pop my hood right now, you'll see
the factoery line back on.
(didn't mean to thread jack..)
lol ok so what does that mean? I might have problems if I buy the tbs
#26
I'm an 06 xA owner and I was actually wondering about getting this for my car as I have a Injen SRI and an Optima battery. The battery mounting pointing point for the intake is rather stretched so I thought about getting a TBS to help this. I wanted to know what it did performance wise and that's how I got here. This thread didn't really answer my questions though so I did further inquiries and came across this article directed from a fellow xa owner.
http://www.truckblog.com/story-444-f...e_body_spacers
Now, although even a 1% increase in performance would've been perfectly suitable to me, according to their tests they actually lose performance. That alone causes me to steer away from the product.
http://www.truckblog.com/story-444-f...e_body_spacers
Now, although even a 1% increase in performance would've been perfectly suitable to me, according to their tests they actually lose performance. That alone causes me to steer away from the product.
#27
[quote="street_TSE_lethal"]
eh, screw it, its already on there, and mine actually runs better with it like that. go figure.
(back on topic now)
Originally Posted by duck_dodgers_24_5
GOTHBOX:
If you happen to be reading this..
I know I explained to you how to make this PCV setup, but after
long term "testing" and reconfiguring I have decided that this mod,
breather or not, just isn't worth the side effects. It has all become
merely for show. Actually if you pop my hood right now, you'll see
the factoery line back on.
(didn't mean to thread jack..)
If you happen to be reading this..
I know I explained to you how to make this PCV setup, but after
long term "testing" and reconfiguring I have decided that this mod,
breather or not, just isn't worth the side effects. It has all become
merely for show. Actually if you pop my hood right now, you'll see
the factoery line back on.
(didn't mean to thread jack..)
(back on topic now)
#28
Originally Posted by MaxiVisVires
I'm an 06 xA owner and I was actually wondering about getting this for my car as I have a Injen SRI and an Optima battery. The battery mounting pointing point for the intake is rather stretched so I thought about getting a TBS to help this. I wanted to know what it did performance wise and that's how I got here. This thread didn't really answer my questions though so I did further inquiries and came across this article directed from a fellow xa owner.
http://www.truckblog.com/story-444-f...e_body_spacers
Now, although even a 1% increase in performance would've been perfectly suitable to me, according to their tests they actually lose performance. That alone causes me to steer away from the product.
http://www.truckblog.com/story-444-f...e_body_spacers
Now, although even a 1% increase in performance would've been perfectly suitable to me, according to their tests they actually lose performance. That alone causes me to steer away from the product.
I dont know if it has something to do with 4 cylinders vs a v8 but I have one in my v8 bronco and I noticed nothing and was a waste of $110......
#30
[quote="Gothbox"]
eh, screw it, its already on there, and mine actually runs better with it like that. go figure.
(back on topic now)
mine ran a little better too, until the CEL came on (and it starts running in closed loop). At first the CEL would take forever to pop on, but evry time it came back sooner and sooner, so i just unplugged it.. good luck!!
Originally Posted by street_TSE_lethal
Originally Posted by duck_dodgers_24_5
GOTHBOX:
If you happen to be reading this..
I know I explained to you how to make this PCV setup, but after
long term "testing" and reconfiguring I have decided that this mod,
breather or not, just isn't worth the side effects. It has all become
merely for show. Actually if you pop my hood right now, you'll see
the factoery line back on.
(didn't mean to thread jack..)
If you happen to be reading this..
I know I explained to you how to make this PCV setup, but after
long term "testing" and reconfiguring I have decided that this mod,
breather or not, just isn't worth the side effects. It has all become
merely for show. Actually if you pop my hood right now, you'll see
the factoery line back on.
(didn't mean to thread jack..)
(back on topic now)
#33
I just recently installed a TB spacer on my tC. My engines intake always had made a faint whistle under acceleration, after my CAI was installed it got even louder. Now with the spacer installed the whistle is very noticeable...is that fairly loud whistle under acceleration normal or did I do something wrong?
#34
^^^thats normal.. still may come down to the CAI design, but
the overall noise level rises with the spacer..
UPDATE:
the CAI in the box was pushed over when the TB spacer was
installed, 2 months later the mounts finally gave into the
pressure, and broke off. This is only a problem (I could
imagine) with the CAI's that have the "loop" design, like the
Fujita and Bomz, etc.,. Shouldn't be a problem for short
rams. I am switching to a CAI with a straight pipe off the TB
to the inside of the bumper. I will be cutting this new CAI
down, so the filter sits at my vented fog light cover. Should
solve the "push over" problem anyways.
pic of broken mount
the overall noise level rises with the spacer..
UPDATE:
the CAI in the box was pushed over when the TB spacer was
installed, 2 months later the mounts finally gave into the
pressure, and broke off. This is only a problem (I could
imagine) with the CAI's that have the "loop" design, like the
Fujita and Bomz, etc.,. Shouldn't be a problem for short
rams. I am switching to a CAI with a straight pipe off the TB
to the inside of the bumper. I will be cutting this new CAI
down, so the filter sits at my vented fog light cover. Should
solve the "push over" problem anyways.
pic of broken mount
#39
wow this is going again!!!
As far as i know there are three diff ones for the 1nzfe motor
I have sold/installed 5 of them and still swear i can tell the diff in the lower end rpm's the one BlackBox06 has he bought from me. Its from
1) Design Chaos- made by a member on here you can search here for his name. it has helical cuts to compress air.
Vibol Muk SL screen name
Here is the thread that was started here
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...917164#1917164
don't know if he still will/or makes them the were 75-80 shipped
mailto:aceprecisionmv@hotmail.com
2) made by Design Chaos for an E-bayer w/nothing inside (smooth?)
dont see anythng that would improve
And currently the OBX made more like other TBS's I've seen kinda like a bolt/nut thread i don't think this would create as much added pressure as the helical cuts but who knows. to date I've heard of no proof posted in the form of dyno sheets.or bench flow tests. on our cars. there is plenty of proof that this works on Carborated cars but not so much on FI cars
Here is the thread i started about them on club xb in Oct 06
http://www.clubxb.com/forums/f28/5049-tbs-box/
one member who completely dissed them called Victor out, was given a free one and never preformed the "my friend has a dyno" test for all to see.
will we ever know???
As far as i know there are three diff ones for the 1nzfe motor
I have sold/installed 5 of them and still swear i can tell the diff in the lower end rpm's the one BlackBox06 has he bought from me. Its from
1) Design Chaos- made by a member on here you can search here for his name. it has helical cuts to compress air.
Vibol Muk SL screen name
Here is the thread that was started here
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...917164#1917164
don't know if he still will/or makes them the were 75-80 shipped
mailto:aceprecisionmv@hotmail.com
2) made by Design Chaos for an E-bayer w/nothing inside (smooth?)
dont see anythng that would improve
And currently the OBX made more like other TBS's I've seen kinda like a bolt/nut thread i don't think this would create as much added pressure as the helical cuts but who knows. to date I've heard of no proof posted in the form of dyno sheets.or bench flow tests. on our cars. there is plenty of proof that this works on Carborated cars but not so much on FI cars
Here is the thread i started about them on club xb in Oct 06
http://www.clubxb.com/forums/f28/5049-tbs-box/
one member who completely dissed them called Victor out, was given a free one and never preformed the "my friend has a dyno" test for all to see.
will we ever know???
#40
I know I have a tC and this isn't a forum for me but, despite what the dyno graphs show I did notice a slight difference in performance. Not sure how it is affecting gas mileage yet. I know on my car it was and easy install. Took longer to get my intake off and disconnect wire connections to move things than the actual spacer install did. Plus with a CAI is sounds pretty kick a$$. I say get one. I have the OBX which was purchased off of ebay. So far so good. Just my $0.02.