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Old 12-18-2005 | 12:24 AM
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No matter what you swap into it, at the end of the day, it's still an xB...
Old 12-18-2005 | 01:28 AM
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One word, autocross.

End of story.

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Old 12-18-2005 | 05:17 PM
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Old 12-18-2005 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by peteyd
^^^^ was about to say the same people are putting s2k engiens in del sols and CRV engines in civics and those engines are coming from RWD vehcials hell ive see the 2AZ mounted in the celica. So its possible, plus as Trikk said bB has optional AWD so just a matter of getting it done.
you're off by alot. crv is fwd ......
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Originally Posted by trikkonceptz
Like I said before you guys are making this into a monster of a job. I will be doing this using the stock tranny. It will be a front wheel drive rotary. It is possible and it is being done ...

So while the xB is designed to handle a RWD set up because of its AWD set up in Japan, its not the only option ..
ha ha ha . the stock tranny will blow up. besides have fun making that adapter plate.
Old 12-18-2005 | 09:23 PM
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Boy oh boy I know for a fact that that the tranny can hold three times its torque in HP rating. 100 ft lbs torque = 300 hp engine.

And you're right the secret is the adapter plate and the output shaft, on the other hand that was the easiest thing for us to make .. lol
Old 12-18-2005 | 09:37 PM
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Does the bB AWD model use a mechanical drive to the rear wheels? I seem to remember that it is some sort of hydraulic system.
Old 12-18-2005 | 11:18 PM
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Im sorry guys but isnt imposible because
right here in Puerto Rico we have the first fwd
with rotary engine, is a toyota tercel and later if I can find
a scanner I will show you tha pictures.
Old 12-19-2005 | 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by trikkonceptz
Boy oh boy I know for a fact that that the tranny can hold three times its torque in HP rating. 100 ft lbs torque = 300 hp engine.

And you're right the secret is the adapter plate and the output shaft, on the other hand that was the easiest thing for us to make .. lol
i HIGHLY doubt the stock tranny can hold 300hp. seeing as how stock cars are having synchro problems...

as far as the whole process. good stuff i wish i had the equipment and training for fabrication but i tell you what...... i wouldn't waste it by putting an oil eating no torque having MAZDA motor into a FWD TOYOTA. just me tho.....
Old 12-19-2005 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hotbox05
Originally Posted by trikkonceptz
Boy oh boy I know for a fact that that the tranny can hold three times its torque in HP rating. 100 ft lbs torque = 300 hp engine.

And you're right the secret is the adapter plate and the output shaft, on the other hand that was the easiest thing for us to make .. lol
i HIGHLY doubt the stock tranny can hold 300hp. seeing as how stock cars are having synchro problems...

as far as the whole process. good stuff i wish i had the equipment and training for fabrication but i tell you what...... i wouldn't waste it by putting an oil eating no torque having MAZDA motor into a FWD TOYOTA. just me tho.....
If you are going to use the trans that comes with 1nz then you will need to do a massive rebuild. Theres no way it will handle 300hp, like hotbox said.

I would be extremely baffled if you just throw the motor in, and not have major problems.

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Thats why I love forums like these .. all the so called experts .. Then when the pics, the 1/4 mile times and the longevity reports are in these same experts are floored by the results.

And I apologize for not remembering who posted the info regarding the no torque rotary. You're right, they have very little, but these vehicles are very light.

As an example I had a VW beetle 1967 with a rotoary in it, mounted to the factory tranny. The rotary was producting 250hp give or take, was picking up the front wheels and running quarter mile times in the high 13's, on street tires.

I retired that car with over 100K rotary miles beating up on mustangs at every light.

So nothing is impossible and if its being considered it has its benefits.
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why? why use a mazda? it's stupid. yeah theyre allright motors but it's stupid. and no matter what you say these trans may hold up to 300 for a few passes. these cars are made CHEAP
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Originally Posted by trikkonceptz
Thats why I love forums like these .. all the so called experts .. Then when the pics, the 1/4 mile times and the longevity reports are in these same experts are floored by the results.

And I apologize for not remembering who posted the info regarding the no torque rotary. You're right, they have very little, but these vehicles are very light.

As an example I had a VW beetle 1967 with a rotoary in it, mounted to the factory tranny. The rotary was producting 250hp give or take, was picking up the front wheels and running quarter mile times in the high 13's, on street tires.

I retired that car with over 100K rotary miles beating up on mustangs at every light.

So nothing is impossible and if its being considered it has its benefits.
No one is arguing about the power to weight theory, because its quite true. That still doesn't disprove the fact you are looking at tons of work, and in the end its not worth the trouble in my opinion.

Look at it this way:
In order to fit the motor you will need to cut some frame, possibly move the firewall back. In order to get the tranny to hold you will have to significantly rebuild the tranny to hold 300hp+, even then its a question of how long it will last. Then you have to talk about axles, the stock ones will not do at all. You would snap the stock ones after a few quick passes around the block or on the track. Then you have to talk about stiffening the frame significantly to hold the power being the frame obviously isn't made to hold that much power, regardless of how much torque you are putting down. All of this is just manditory, not to mention all the little details you should do to make it some what last. But it all goes back to lasting with the 1nz tranny? um, okay.

If you do all of this, then congrats to you but to me, all of this work is not worth just a swap.

Cya
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Originally Posted by trikkonceptz
Thats why I love forums like these .. all the so called experts .. Then when the pics, the 1/4 mile times and the longevity reports are in these same experts are floored by the results.

And I apologize for not remembering who posted the info regarding the no torque rotary. You're right, they have very little, but these vehicles are very light.

As an example I had a VW beetle 1967 with a rotoary in it, mounted to the factory tranny. The rotary was producting 250hp give or take, was picking up the front wheels and running quarter mile times in the high 13's, on street tires.

I retired that car with over 100K rotary miles beating up on mustangs at every light.

So nothing is impossible and if its being considered it has its benefits.
No one is arguing about the power to weight theory, because its quite true. That still doesn't disprove the fact you are looking at tons of work, and in the end its not worth the trouble in my opinion.

Look at it this way:
In order to fit the motor you will need to cut some frame, possibly move the firewall back. In order to get the tranny to hold you will have to significantly rebuild the tranny to hold 300hp+, even then its a question of how long it will last. Then you have to talk about axles, the stock ones will not do at all. You would snap the stock ones after a few quick passes around the block or on the track. Then you have to talk about stiffening the frame significantly to hold the power being the frame obviously isn't made to hold that much power, regardless of how much torque you are putting down. All of this is just manditory, not to mention all the little details you should do to make it some what last. But it all goes back to lasting with the 1nz tranny? um, okay.

If you do all of this, then congrats to you but to me, all of this work is not worth just a swap.

Cya
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Originally Posted by trikkonceptz
Thats why I love forums like these .. all the so called experts .. Then when the pics, the 1/4 mile times and the longevity reports are in these same experts are floored by the results.

And I apologize for not remembering who posted the info regarding the no torque rotary. You're right, they have very little, but these vehicles are very light.

As an example I had a VW beetle 1967 with a rotoary in it, mounted to the factory tranny. The rotary was producting 250hp give or take, was picking up the front wheels and running quarter mile times in the high 13's, on street tires.

I retired that car with over 100K rotary miles beating up on mustangs at every light.

So nothing is impossible and if its being considered it has its benefits.
No one is arguing about the power to weight theory, because its quite true. That still doesn't disprove the fact you are looking at tons of work, and in the end its not worth the trouble in my opinion.

Look at it this way:
In order to fit the motor you will need to cut some frame, possibly move the firewall back. In order to get the tranny to hold you will have to significantly rebuild the tranny to hold 300hp+, even then its a question of how long it will last. Then you have to talk about axles, the stock ones will not do at all. You would snap the stock ones after a few quick passes around the block or on the track. Then you have to talk about stiffening the frame significantly to hold the power being the frame obviously isn't made to hold that much power, regardless of how much torque you are putting down. All of this is just manditory, not to mention all the little details you should do to make it some what last. But it all goes back to lasting with the 1nz tranny? um, okay.

If you do all of this, then congrats to you but to me, all of this work is not worth just a swap.

Cya
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Wow, how the hell did I miss this thread...trikconceptz is right, the tranny will hold up to 300whp. Hotbox is correct, it wont last forever, but it will last a lot longer than a few passes. Your biggest issue isnt the tranny holding the power, its putting the power to the ground reliably. Adapter plate would be the first step which you got, which probly wasnt that hard, then custom halfshafts to hold the power to the wheels. Theres more to it than that, but it has been done.
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Originally Posted by Simplyscion
Wow, how the hell did I miss this thread...trikconceptz is right, the tranny will hold up to 300whp. Hotbox is correct, it wont last forever, but it will last a lot longer than a few passes. Your biggest issue isnt the tranny holding the power, its putting the power to the ground reliably. Adapter plate would be the first step which you got, which probly wasnt that hard, then custom halfshafts to hold the power to the wheels. Theres more to it than that, but it has been done.
Who has 300whp on a 1nz tranny? I'm not trying to debate or argue with you, but i'd like to know who has it done. Also, like i said above your post, theres much more to it than that to safely withstand the hp numbers.

Cya
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Originally Posted by Simplyscion
Wow, how the hell did I miss this thread...trikconceptz is right, the tranny will hold up to 300whp. Hotbox is correct, it wont last forever, but it will last a lot longer than a few passes. Your biggest issue isnt the tranny holding the power, its putting the power to the ground reliably. Adapter plate would be the first step which you got, which probly wasnt that hard, then custom halfshafts to hold the power to the wheels. Theres more to it than that, but it has been done.
Who has 300whp on a 1nz tranny? I'm not trying to debate or argue with you, but i'd like to know who has it done. Also, like i said above your post, theres much more to it than that to safely withstand the hp numbers.

Cya
Im not saying I know of anyone personally, but its not rocket science. Theres a few components in a tranny that when upgraded, will withstand the power. For how long, we dont really know. I guarantee there are people out there with significant hp levels on these cars that arent forum junkies, and are pushing that power on a c50 tranny.
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i can bet there arent people pushing that much power.
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Originally Posted by hotbox05
i can bet there arent people pushing that much power.
Come on Darren, theres at least one nut in every state that nobody knows about which is pushing big power. Theres always someone willing to spend the money just to be able to say "I have that". Its obvious that nothing would be a production part, but anything can be customly done. I cant wait till people start popping out of the woodwork and old threads like these get turned around into "So, I wanna push 300whp, what do I gotta do"
Then you get the guy that goes, "This has been discussed soo many times, use the dam search button"


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