Rotary Engine in xB?
#24
Originally Posted by peteyd
^^^^ was about to say the same people are putting s2k engiens in del sols and CRV engines in civics and those engines are coming from RWD vehcials hell ive see the 2AZ mounted in the celica. So its possible, plus as Trikk said bB has optional AWD so just a matter of getting it done.
#25
Originally Posted by trikkonceptz
Like I said before you guys are making this into a monster of a job. I will be doing this using the stock tranny. It will be a front wheel drive rotary. It is possible and it is being done ...
So while the xB is designed to handle a RWD set up because of its AWD set up in Japan, its not the only option ..
So while the xB is designed to handle a RWD set up because of its AWD set up in Japan, its not the only option ..
#26
Boy oh boy I know for a fact that that the tranny can hold three times its torque in HP rating. 100 ft lbs torque = 300 hp engine.
And you're right the secret is the adapter plate and the output shaft, on the other hand that was the easiest thing for us to make .. lol
And you're right the secret is the adapter plate and the output shaft, on the other hand that was the easiest thing for us to make .. lol
#28
Im sorry guys but isnt imposible because
right here in Puerto Rico we have the first fwd
with rotary engine, is a toyota tercel and later if I can find
a scanner I will show you tha pictures.
right here in Puerto Rico we have the first fwd
with rotary engine, is a toyota tercel and later if I can find
a scanner I will show you tha pictures.
#29
Originally Posted by trikkonceptz
Boy oh boy I know for a fact that that the tranny can hold three times its torque in HP rating. 100 ft lbs torque = 300 hp engine.
And you're right the secret is the adapter plate and the output shaft, on the other hand that was the easiest thing for us to make .. lol
And you're right the secret is the adapter plate and the output shaft, on the other hand that was the easiest thing for us to make .. lol
as far as the whole process. good stuff i wish i had the equipment and training for fabrication but i tell you what...... i wouldn't waste it by putting an oil eating no torque having MAZDA motor into a FWD TOYOTA. just me tho.....
#30
Originally Posted by hotbox05
Originally Posted by trikkonceptz
Boy oh boy I know for a fact that that the tranny can hold three times its torque in HP rating. 100 ft lbs torque = 300 hp engine.
And you're right the secret is the adapter plate and the output shaft, on the other hand that was the easiest thing for us to make .. lol
And you're right the secret is the adapter plate and the output shaft, on the other hand that was the easiest thing for us to make .. lol
as far as the whole process. good stuff i wish i had the equipment and training for fabrication but i tell you what...... i wouldn't waste it by putting an oil eating no torque having MAZDA motor into a FWD TOYOTA. just me tho.....
I would be extremely baffled if you just throw the motor in, and not have major problems.
Cya
#31
Thats why I love forums like these .. all the so called experts .. Then when the pics, the 1/4 mile times and the longevity reports are in these same experts are floored by the results.
And I apologize for not remembering who posted the info regarding the no torque rotary. You're right, they have very little, but these vehicles are very light.
As an example I had a VW beetle 1967 with a rotoary in it, mounted to the factory tranny. The rotary was producting 250hp give or take, was picking up the front wheels and running quarter mile times in the high 13's, on street tires.
I retired that car with over 100K rotary miles beating up on mustangs at every light.
So nothing is impossible and if its being considered it has its benefits.
And I apologize for not remembering who posted the info regarding the no torque rotary. You're right, they have very little, but these vehicles are very light.
As an example I had a VW beetle 1967 with a rotoary in it, mounted to the factory tranny. The rotary was producting 250hp give or take, was picking up the front wheels and running quarter mile times in the high 13's, on street tires.
I retired that car with over 100K rotary miles beating up on mustangs at every light.
So nothing is impossible and if its being considered it has its benefits.
#32
why? why use a mazda? it's stupid. yeah theyre allright motors but it's stupid. and no matter what you say these trans may hold up to 300 for a few passes. these cars are made CHEAP
#33
Originally Posted by trikkonceptz
Thats why I love forums like these .. all the so called experts .. Then when the pics, the 1/4 mile times and the longevity reports are in these same experts are floored by the results.
And I apologize for not remembering who posted the info regarding the no torque rotary. You're right, they have very little, but these vehicles are very light.
As an example I had a VW beetle 1967 with a rotoary in it, mounted to the factory tranny. The rotary was producting 250hp give or take, was picking up the front wheels and running quarter mile times in the high 13's, on street tires.
I retired that car with over 100K rotary miles beating up on mustangs at every light.
So nothing is impossible and if its being considered it has its benefits.
And I apologize for not remembering who posted the info regarding the no torque rotary. You're right, they have very little, but these vehicles are very light.
As an example I had a VW beetle 1967 with a rotoary in it, mounted to the factory tranny. The rotary was producting 250hp give or take, was picking up the front wheels and running quarter mile times in the high 13's, on street tires.
I retired that car with over 100K rotary miles beating up on mustangs at every light.
So nothing is impossible and if its being considered it has its benefits.
Look at it this way:
In order to fit the motor you will need to cut some frame, possibly move the firewall back. In order to get the tranny to hold you will have to significantly rebuild the tranny to hold 300hp+, even then its a question of how long it will last. Then you have to talk about axles, the stock ones will not do at all. You would snap the stock ones after a few quick passes around the block or on the track. Then you have to talk about stiffening the frame significantly to hold the power being the frame obviously isn't made to hold that much power, regardless of how much torque you are putting down. All of this is just manditory, not to mention all the little details you should do to make it some what last. But it all goes back to lasting with the 1nz tranny? um, okay.
If you do all of this, then congrats to you but to me, all of this work is not worth just a swap.
Cya
#34
Originally Posted by trikkonceptz
Thats why I love forums like these .. all the so called experts .. Then when the pics, the 1/4 mile times and the longevity reports are in these same experts are floored by the results.
And I apologize for not remembering who posted the info regarding the no torque rotary. You're right, they have very little, but these vehicles are very light.
As an example I had a VW beetle 1967 with a rotoary in it, mounted to the factory tranny. The rotary was producting 250hp give or take, was picking up the front wheels and running quarter mile times in the high 13's, on street tires.
I retired that car with over 100K rotary miles beating up on mustangs at every light.
So nothing is impossible and if its being considered it has its benefits.
And I apologize for not remembering who posted the info regarding the no torque rotary. You're right, they have very little, but these vehicles are very light.
As an example I had a VW beetle 1967 with a rotoary in it, mounted to the factory tranny. The rotary was producting 250hp give or take, was picking up the front wheels and running quarter mile times in the high 13's, on street tires.
I retired that car with over 100K rotary miles beating up on mustangs at every light.
So nothing is impossible and if its being considered it has its benefits.
Look at it this way:
In order to fit the motor you will need to cut some frame, possibly move the firewall back. In order to get the tranny to hold you will have to significantly rebuild the tranny to hold 300hp+, even then its a question of how long it will last. Then you have to talk about axles, the stock ones will not do at all. You would snap the stock ones after a few quick passes around the block or on the track. Then you have to talk about stiffening the frame significantly to hold the power being the frame obviously isn't made to hold that much power, regardless of how much torque you are putting down. All of this is just manditory, not to mention all the little details you should do to make it some what last. But it all goes back to lasting with the 1nz tranny? um, okay.
If you do all of this, then congrats to you but to me, all of this work is not worth just a swap.
Cya
#35
Originally Posted by trikkonceptz
Thats why I love forums like these .. all the so called experts .. Then when the pics, the 1/4 mile times and the longevity reports are in these same experts are floored by the results.
And I apologize for not remembering who posted the info regarding the no torque rotary. You're right, they have very little, but these vehicles are very light.
As an example I had a VW beetle 1967 with a rotoary in it, mounted to the factory tranny. The rotary was producting 250hp give or take, was picking up the front wheels and running quarter mile times in the high 13's, on street tires.
I retired that car with over 100K rotary miles beating up on mustangs at every light.
So nothing is impossible and if its being considered it has its benefits.
And I apologize for not remembering who posted the info regarding the no torque rotary. You're right, they have very little, but these vehicles are very light.
As an example I had a VW beetle 1967 with a rotoary in it, mounted to the factory tranny. The rotary was producting 250hp give or take, was picking up the front wheels and running quarter mile times in the high 13's, on street tires.
I retired that car with over 100K rotary miles beating up on mustangs at every light.
So nothing is impossible and if its being considered it has its benefits.
Look at it this way:
In order to fit the motor you will need to cut some frame, possibly move the firewall back. In order to get the tranny to hold you will have to significantly rebuild the tranny to hold 300hp+, even then its a question of how long it will last. Then you have to talk about axles, the stock ones will not do at all. You would snap the stock ones after a few quick passes around the block or on the track. Then you have to talk about stiffening the frame significantly to hold the power being the frame obviously isn't made to hold that much power, regardless of how much torque you are putting down. All of this is just manditory, not to mention all the little details you should do to make it some what last. But it all goes back to lasting with the 1nz tranny? um, okay.
If you do all of this, then congrats to you but to me, all of this work is not worth just a swap.
Cya
#36
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Wow, how the hell did I miss this thread...trikconceptz is right, the tranny will hold up to 300whp. Hotbox is correct, it wont last forever, but it will last a lot longer than a few passes. Your biggest issue isnt the tranny holding the power, its putting the power to the ground reliably. Adapter plate would be the first step which you got, which probly wasnt that hard, then custom halfshafts to hold the power to the wheels. Theres more to it than that, but it has been done.
#37
Originally Posted by Simplyscion
Wow, how the hell did I miss this thread...trikconceptz is right, the tranny will hold up to 300whp. Hotbox is correct, it wont last forever, but it will last a lot longer than a few passes. Your biggest issue isnt the tranny holding the power, its putting the power to the ground reliably. Adapter plate would be the first step which you got, which probly wasnt that hard, then custom halfshafts to hold the power to the wheels. Theres more to it than that, but it has been done.
Cya
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Originally Posted by killerxromances
Originally Posted by Simplyscion
Wow, how the hell did I miss this thread...trikconceptz is right, the tranny will hold up to 300whp. Hotbox is correct, it wont last forever, but it will last a lot longer than a few passes. Your biggest issue isnt the tranny holding the power, its putting the power to the ground reliably. Adapter plate would be the first step which you got, which probly wasnt that hard, then custom halfshafts to hold the power to the wheels. Theres more to it than that, but it has been done.
Cya
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Originally Posted by hotbox05
i can bet there arent people pushing that much power.
Then you get the guy that goes, "This has been discussed soo many times, use the dam search button"
Just watch