Spy Engineering Turbo Kit
01-26-2004 | 09:06 PM
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Re: no, not pick on JDMxB day
Originally Posted by R210K
No, it's not pick on JDMxB day for me. It struck a nerve. And, NO I'm not Mr Big Wig by any means. Anyone that knows me, knows that is the furthest thing from the truth. I'm just the little guy, no one specaial.
I'm pinning something on you because you seem to think it's no big deal to make something from scratch? Just want to see what you have done, that's all. I will have the release date changed, to TBA. No, it's not your fault that I didn't get it done, it's mine. I will talk with Spy and see if we can resolve this. Sorry for all the fustrations that I have caused everyone. Just wanted the finger pointing pointed to the right person since it's all bad, that's all.
No, I had many things far more important to deal with than this. It had to take a back seat. I've been getting ____ for about a month. No, I care. If I didn't care why would I wasteing my time defending inocent people? Yes, I should have had Spy update their site. Yes, it's MY fault!!!
Sooner or later, since a lot of the early TSW guys were bugging me. Well, think what you want. I need to take care of my business. Yes, it's been 4 months since a post. Big deal, I've been very busy.
Mark, as far as who would buy one? There are lots of people. JDMxB, as far as wanting a kit, I believe you. V has been one of the people that bug me the most about it. You should ask him what kind of person I am.
teddy
I'm pinning something on you because you seem to think it's no big deal to make something from scratch? Just want to see what you have done, that's all. I will have the release date changed, to TBA. No, it's not your fault that I didn't get it done, it's mine. I will talk with Spy and see if we can resolve this. Sorry for all the fustrations that I have caused everyone. Just wanted the finger pointing pointed to the right person since it's all bad, that's all.
No, I had many things far more important to deal with than this. It had to take a back seat. I've been getting ____ for about a month. No, I care. If I didn't care why would I wasteing my time defending inocent people? Yes, I should have had Spy update their site. Yes, it's MY fault!!!
Sooner or later, since a lot of the early TSW guys were bugging me. Well, think what you want. I need to take care of my business. Yes, it's been 4 months since a post. Big deal, I've been very busy.
Mark, as far as who would buy one? There are lots of people. JDMxB, as far as wanting a kit, I believe you. V has been one of the people that bug me the most about it. You should ask him what kind of person I am.
teddy
But you missed my whole point..I never tried marketing OR selling anything either, you do understand that, right? It's really not that difficult.
The difference is--YOU have, I haven't. I have no promises to keep buddy.
01-26-2004 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DibujoB
SPY is a good company, and they make a lot of great stuff for the scions.
I mean really, how many people would have actually bought the turbo anyway...it's smart of them not to release it.
I mean really, how many people would have actually bought the turbo anyway...it's smart of them not to release it.
Thanks.
01-26-2004 | 09:17 PM
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what s/c's are out? blitz isn't released yet, according to their site, and i'd much rather have a s/c than a turbo.
i'ma stay out of the way of this arguement
just a :?:
i'ma stay out of the way of this arguement
just a :?:
01-26-2004 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by projxB
if specs were avail. and if they were to my liking, id buy one right here and right now. :D
That's awesome! I'd love to see forced induction on ur car, it would be sic. But you seem like one of those people that understand and aren't bashing good people for the hell of it.
01-26-2004 | 11:24 PM
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Now y'all simmer down now!!!!
I see it from both sides......
Jason don't worry, I back you up all the way bro. I'm not bashing you and neither is Teddy. You've always wanted what's best for the Scion community but no need to get heated over it.
Teddy is just trying to take heat off SPY since it's the developmental stage from Maverik that's been lagging. We can't blame Derrick for that but we can get him to change the date for release since it's been leaving us wanting and hating it even more.
As for Teddy....he's an awesome guy and even more an awesome fabricator. He's been backlogged with clients and other past responsibilities that he doesn't want to half ___ something such as a turbo kit or else it would cost us more then just the price of the kit....it'll cost us our motors.
So it's good this post went up because at least things are getting changed now but it's bad how it went down because it makes people that all cool look stupid and there's no need for it.
I see it from both sides......
Jason don't worry, I back you up all the way bro. I'm not bashing you and neither is Teddy. You've always wanted what's best for the Scion community but no need to get heated over it.
Teddy is just trying to take heat off SPY since it's the developmental stage from Maverik that's been lagging. We can't blame Derrick for that but we can get him to change the date for release since it's been leaving us wanting and hating it even more.
As for Teddy....he's an awesome guy and even more an awesome fabricator. He's been backlogged with clients and other past responsibilities that he doesn't want to half ___ something such as a turbo kit or else it would cost us more then just the price of the kit....it'll cost us our motors.
So it's good this post went up because at least things are getting changed now but it's bad how it went down because it makes people that all cool look stupid and there's no need for it.
01-26-2004 | 11:45 PM
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dude, this thread is out of control. i'm not here to scratch anyone's back or anything but i need to say some things. first of all, i have always been a supporter of spy engineering. i was the first guy to buy their springs back in june and i bought a set of 19" axis wheels from them as well. and i've always supported them. but this is clearly not about spy. they are just distributing the turbo kit for maverick motorsports. ok now that that is clear, let's address something that teddy said that is pretty interesting.
it's not easy to do the electronics on the scions. ok? on a honda, you can bolt a drag kit onto a stock motor and not touch the ECU and it works fine. awesome. well, it doesn't work that way with the xB and xA. that is why blitz, greddy, PE, TRD, and everyone else is taking forever to release the turbo kits for the xB. as far as teddy is concerned, i've talked to him before and he's the nicest guy. he never intended to mislead anyone and he certainly knows what he's doing when it comes to cars, especially toyotas.
what i suggest is that the website on scioned.com be updated to say that the kit is still in development and that there is no release date at this time, because it just gets people all worked up when things don't come out as planned. the last thing i heard is that teddy was giving up on the turbo kit and it was never coming out, but i would still like to see it happen. i might even buy one. the scion ECUs are not as turbo friendly as hondas and to make matters worse, the USDM spec ECU is different from the automatic trans only JDM version. yes, the wiring is basically the same but internally the ECU takes different calculations into account which means a company can't just import someone elses technology from japan and sell it for the US scions.
i don't see why JDM xB is so upset, but certainly something bad must have happened that has really bothered him. i'm sorry, and i hope everything will be ok in the future.
product development is harder than it looks, and when you're just one or two guys trying to get it done, and you have other things on your plate, it's even harder.
the last thing i would like to say is that there is no reason why we can't all get along. there isn't as much of a "happy community" as it seems, when you know whats really going on in the community. a lot of people don't like each other and there are pretty harsh feelings between a lot of the members right now. it's pretty sad, but the group is starting to break up and it's only a matter of time before we see some big changes coming up within the scion ownership community. but that's how we grow.
also, i am not 100% positive, but i think randy holds the scion world record for spring installs as of right now. i think he's done over 20 cars at this point.
it's not easy to do the electronics on the scions. ok? on a honda, you can bolt a drag kit onto a stock motor and not touch the ECU and it works fine. awesome. well, it doesn't work that way with the xB and xA. that is why blitz, greddy, PE, TRD, and everyone else is taking forever to release the turbo kits for the xB. as far as teddy is concerned, i've talked to him before and he's the nicest guy. he never intended to mislead anyone and he certainly knows what he's doing when it comes to cars, especially toyotas.
what i suggest is that the website on scioned.com be updated to say that the kit is still in development and that there is no release date at this time, because it just gets people all worked up when things don't come out as planned. the last thing i heard is that teddy was giving up on the turbo kit and it was never coming out, but i would still like to see it happen. i might even buy one. the scion ECUs are not as turbo friendly as hondas and to make matters worse, the USDM spec ECU is different from the automatic trans only JDM version. yes, the wiring is basically the same but internally the ECU takes different calculations into account which means a company can't just import someone elses technology from japan and sell it for the US scions.
i don't see why JDM xB is so upset, but certainly something bad must have happened that has really bothered him. i'm sorry, and i hope everything will be ok in the future.
product development is harder than it looks, and when you're just one or two guys trying to get it done, and you have other things on your plate, it's even harder.
the last thing i would like to say is that there is no reason why we can't all get along. there isn't as much of a "happy community" as it seems, when you know whats really going on in the community. a lot of people don't like each other and there are pretty harsh feelings between a lot of the members right now. it's pretty sad, but the group is starting to break up and it's only a matter of time before we see some big changes coming up within the scion ownership community. but that's how we grow.
also, i am not 100% positive, but i think randy holds the scion world record for spring installs as of right now. i think he's done over 20 cars at this point.
01-26-2004 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by eric m.
Originally Posted by Longoscion
stop the violence!!!!!!!!! make love not war. Peace !!!!!!!
01-27-2004 | 12:56 AM
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It's amazing that randy can get so many spring installs done, and yet he still has the time to lay down some dope rhymes, and get his cold cathode on too! What a stallion.
BTW, well said Eric.
BTW, well said Eric.
01-27-2004 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by eric m.
dude, this thread is out of control. i'm not here to scratch anyone's back or anything but i need to say some things. first of all, i have always been a supporter of spy engineering. i was the first guy to buy their springs back in june and i bought a set of 19" axis wheels from them as well. and i've always supported them. but this is clearly not about spy. they are just distributing the turbo kit for maverick motorsports. ok now that that is clear, let's address something that teddy said that is pretty interesting.
it's not easy to do the electronics on the scions. ok? on a honda, you can bolt a drag kit onto a stock motor and not touch the ECU and it works fine. awesome. well, it doesn't work that way with the xB and xA. that is why blitz, greddy, PE, TRD, and everyone else is taking forever to release the turbo kits for the xB. as far as teddy is concerned, i've talked to him before and he's the nicest guy. he never intended to mislead anyone and he certainly knows what he's doing when it comes to cars, especially toyotas.
what i suggest is that the website on scioned.com be updated to say that the kit is still in development and that there is no release date at this time, because it just gets people all worked up when things don't come out as planned. the last thing i heard is that teddy was giving up on the turbo kit and it was never coming out, but i would still like to see it happen. i might even buy one. the scion ECUs are not as turbo friendly as hondas and to make matters worse, the USDM spec ECU is different from the automatic trans only JDM version. yes, the wiring is basically the same but internally the ECU takes different calculations into account which means a company can't just import someone elses technology from japan and sell it for the US scions.
i don't see why JDM xB is so upset, but certainly something bad must have happened that has really bothered him. i'm sorry, and i hope everything will be ok in the future.
product development is harder than it looks, and when you're just one or two guys trying to get it done, and you have other things on your plate, it's even harder.
the last thing i would like to say is that there is no reason why we can't all get along. there isn't as much of a "happy community" as it seems, when you know whats really going on in the community. a lot of people don't like each other and there are pretty harsh feelings between a lot of the members right now. it's pretty sad, but the group is starting to break up and it's only a matter of time before we see some big changes coming up within the scion ownership community. but that's how we grow.
also, i am not 100% positive, but i think randy holds the scion world record for spring installs as of right now. i think he's done over 20 cars at this point.
it's not easy to do the electronics on the scions. ok? on a honda, you can bolt a drag kit onto a stock motor and not touch the ECU and it works fine. awesome. well, it doesn't work that way with the xB and xA. that is why blitz, greddy, PE, TRD, and everyone else is taking forever to release the turbo kits for the xB. as far as teddy is concerned, i've talked to him before and he's the nicest guy. he never intended to mislead anyone and he certainly knows what he's doing when it comes to cars, especially toyotas.
what i suggest is that the website on scioned.com be updated to say that the kit is still in development and that there is no release date at this time, because it just gets people all worked up when things don't come out as planned. the last thing i heard is that teddy was giving up on the turbo kit and it was never coming out, but i would still like to see it happen. i might even buy one. the scion ECUs are not as turbo friendly as hondas and to make matters worse, the USDM spec ECU is different from the automatic trans only JDM version. yes, the wiring is basically the same but internally the ECU takes different calculations into account which means a company can't just import someone elses technology from japan and sell it for the US scions.
i don't see why JDM xB is so upset, but certainly something bad must have happened that has really bothered him. i'm sorry, and i hope everything will be ok in the future.
product development is harder than it looks, and when you're just one or two guys trying to get it done, and you have other things on your plate, it's even harder.
the last thing i would like to say is that there is no reason why we can't all get along. there isn't as much of a "happy community" as it seems, when you know whats really going on in the community. a lot of people don't like each other and there are pretty harsh feelings between a lot of the members right now. it's pretty sad, but the group is starting to break up and it's only a matter of time before we see some big changes coming up within the scion ownership community. but that's how we grow.
also, i am not 100% positive, but i think randy holds the scion world record for spring installs as of right now. i think he's done over 20 cars at this point.
01-27-2004 | 09:50 AM
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all is good?
Thanks, Eric!!! I never said I wasn't going to make it, though. Just had too much on my plate. Yea, you are probably right, Randy probably has lowered more now. I haven't done one in a while. But, I can say I did the first one. But, who cares? I don't care, but the finger pointing people do.
Eric you are right, when you are building the first one, nothing ever goes right. It hasn't. So, anyone that has understands. Anyone that hasn't, doesn't. I got a little ____ed off when someone starts finger pointing and talking ____ at the wrong people for no real reason. I'm glad you agree that JDMxB came off ____ed off, and a BIG chip on his shoulder.
Thanks DenZinz, You are right I don't hear anyone bashing the big companies for lagging. They've made some pretty interesting promisses. Yes, ____ happens. Me and Murphy are best of friends!!
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm done with this. As far as when it will be done? I'm way behind. I'm not promissing anything. I hope to have it done in a few months. When I have something good to say, I will let everyone know. I'll disapear for now, again. Need to get a Turbo kit done.
teddy
Eric you are right, when you are building the first one, nothing ever goes right. It hasn't. So, anyone that has understands. Anyone that hasn't, doesn't. I got a little ____ed off when someone starts finger pointing and talking ____ at the wrong people for no real reason. I'm glad you agree that JDMxB came off ____ed off, and a BIG chip on his shoulder.
Thanks DenZinz, You are right I don't hear anyone bashing the big companies for lagging. They've made some pretty interesting promisses. Yes, ____ happens. Me and Murphy are best of friends!!
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm done with this. As far as when it will be done? I'm way behind. I'm not promissing anything. I hope to have it done in a few months. When I have something good to say, I will let everyone know. I'll disapear for now, again. Need to get a Turbo kit done.
teddy
01-27-2004 | 10:34 AM
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JDMxB does sounds kind of ____ed off when he post about SPY
I guess he is just in a bad mood at the time (We all have our bad days)
Well... There are lots R&a D need to be done to build a performance part... no matter it’s an intake or turbo kit. I don't think 6 month can really built a turbo kit that will work well. So hanging there! XS Engineering told me about their turbo kit for GS300 almost year ago and they have not even finish with their project car for the last SEMA... XS is a very reputable company making almost perfect product for any car they work on! So lets not blame on SPY for the lag no matter they build their kit or they buy it from someone else
But Teddy... Someone at SPY needs to be more professional about their own product or advertising on the web... I have called couple times asking about the body kit that was suppose be coming soon on the web (few month ago) and also about the installation on the fender flair... the person who answer me is very unprofessional and not polite...
I asked "can the flair installed just with double stick tape" and the answer was " yeah, I guess" let’s not guess here... who is held responsible if the flair fly off the car and hit a 80 years old lady behind me and die in the accident??
I guess he is just in a bad mood at the time (We all have our bad days)
Well... There are lots R&a D need to be done to build a performance part... no matter it’s an intake or turbo kit. I don't think 6 month can really built a turbo kit that will work well. So hanging there! XS Engineering told me about their turbo kit for GS300 almost year ago and they have not even finish with their project car for the last SEMA... XS is a very reputable company making almost perfect product for any car they work on! So lets not blame on SPY for the lag no matter they build their kit or they buy it from someone else
But Teddy... Someone at SPY needs to be more professional about their own product or advertising on the web... I have called couple times asking about the body kit that was suppose be coming soon on the web (few month ago) and also about the installation on the fender flair... the person who answer me is very unprofessional and not polite...
I asked "can the flair installed just with double stick tape" and the answer was " yeah, I guess" let’s not guess here... who is held responsible if the flair fly off the car and hit a 80 years old lady behind me and die in the accident??
01-27-2004 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Genie xB
But Teddy... Someone at SPY needs to be more professional about their own product or advertising on the web... I have called couple times asking about the body kit that was suppose be coming soon on the web (few month ago) and also about the installation on the fender flair... the person who answer me is very unprofessional and not polite...
I asked "can the flair installed just with double stick tape" and the answer was " yeah, I guess" let’s not guess here... who is held responsible if the flair fly off the car and hit a 80 years old lady behind me and die in the accident??
I asked "can the flair installed just with double stick tape" and the answer was " yeah, I guess" let’s not guess here... who is held responsible if the flair fly off the car and hit a 80 years old lady behind me and die in the accident??
then asked about the "suspension package"
asked them what the heck it was..
they said: "ummmm u mean our springs?"
and i said: "no, the 750 dollar suspension package u sell"
they said: "oh, its a shock and spring combo"
after 1 liners back and worth, he said he doesn't know if
the "koni" shocks they package the spy springs with are
shortened stroke or not.