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Old 12-11-2004 | 02:31 PM
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I just bought a Turbotechniques T3/T4 turbo for my xB. all of the fab will be done for a custom fit. Hp levels will meet well into the mid 300's approx. 350whp. I'll post pics as soon as I take some. Oh all of the internals will be replaced, as well as a 200-shot NOS system + purge. An AEM ECU swap. the turbo will feature a Blitz dual-drive blow off valve for that psst we all love to hear. You can see me at the next HIN show on the East Coast. Holla back ya'll
Old 12-11-2004 | 02:43 PM
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Even with the replaced internals, I dont think the block will hand the kind of pressure for 350whp...good luck with it though..
Old 12-12-2004 | 12:57 AM
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That's not gonna happen, but good luck trying bro :?
Old 12-12-2004 | 02:45 AM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
exactly. maybe 225 or so. this block can only handle so much ya know? then think about those toothpicks we call halfshafts
Old 12-12-2004 | 04:57 AM
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Awesome idea...Get some pics and more importantly...VIDEO...

or I will hunt you down and hurt you ...
Old 12-12-2004 | 05:16 AM
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ill believe it when i see it. dyno video and sheets to prove it.

my guess is 210-220 hp at most on this block.
Old 12-12-2004 | 06:07 AM
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Oh, I GOTTA see this!!!

So you are planning on getting 350 WHP, then adding the 200 shot of NOS to that!? What's it gonna be set to run 45 PSI?
Hope you re-inforce the firewall because those tiny bits of metal shrapnal are gonna hurt!

How about you save the heartache and put in a Bazooka bass tube nitrous look a like bottle, one of those APC blow off valve sound replicators, and some really big stickers. Make sure you paint the valve cover red too, and add a blitz oil cap.

What it is just be easier to build a complete from scratch tube frame chassis, with a chevy 350 and relocated firewall and lower the box body back down onto it. That's about the only way you are getting those kind of number.
Old 12-12-2004 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SweetDaddyDelicious
Oh, I GOTTA see this!!!


What it is just be easier to build a complete from scratch tube frame chassis, with a chevy 350 and relocated firewall and lower the box body back down onto it. That's about the only way you are getting those kind of number.
I was thinking of doing that to the box. That would be insane!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Old 12-12-2004 | 07:32 AM
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Get ready to put the box back in the box...6ft under!!!
Old 12-12-2004 | 08:23 AM
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gotta have type R stickers too.
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Originally Posted by miamijdm
gotta have type R stickers too.
2muchhp
Old 12-12-2004 | 07:20 PM
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He's probably just fukin around especially with the 200NOS part, but 300whp I can see easily accomplished on the stock engine. I've calculated it before and it's roughly gunna take about $8k to hit the 300whp mark. Stroker kit and turbo put you around 220whp at 7psi, then you go with some crazy forged internals, a nice standalone, and some major fuel upgrades and tuning and that block will be able to hold atleast 18psi and that puts you just right over 300whp.
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Easily accomplished? Harldly. If it was so easy, it would of been done 15 times already. $8 is nothing. Look how many people have way more than that into their audio/video system. How many runs do your calculations show it would hold together for before the track officials shut down to mop up the oil and itsy bitsy metal parts? Hell no. It ain't happening. And it sure as hell ain't happening for $8K. Who makes that one off forged stroker crank? If the motor could make the power, how is traction applied? Once traction is under control what kind of trans, axles, etc are holding up to 300% more power than they were designed to work with. Not saying it could never ever be done. But it would take closer to $80 than $8K to do it. Cheaper to build a real tube frame and use a whole different motor and tranny combination.
Old 12-12-2004 | 11:37 PM
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It's gonna blow up....or melt. But good luck trying It takes a lot of boost to get 350whp out of an engine with twice as much displacement and a higher redline (IE, the H22 or B1. My car is making 240whp with 10psi on a 1.8L engine...you would have to run like 40psi to get that much power...don't think the manifold, head, or anything is going to be able to handle it. If you accomplish it, mega props to you...I just don't think it's possible without some sort of engine swap first.

But it would take closer to $80 than $8K to do it. Cheaper to build a real tube frame and use a whole different motor and tranny combination.
Or to buy a different base to work from...you know...something with "potential"

As touched on above, to make this whole thing work you would need:
- stronger axles
- stronger clutch
- upgraded and stronger transmission
- sleeved block
- lower compression, forged pistons
- forged rods
- probably an upgraded or at least perfectly balanced crank
- upgraded cams (probably have to have them custom ground)
- upgraded valves
- upgraded valve springs
- upgraded retainers
- upgraded intake manifold (probably custom)
- 3" turbo back exhaust (at least)
- probably 550cc or higher injectors
- some sort of fuel management system that is tuneable
- upgraded fuel pump
- upgraded fuel lines (stock ones probably won't hold the pressure you'll need to run)
- FMIC obviously
- all other turbo components (BOV, wastegate, piping, etc.)
- a good set of tires
- probably some sort of LSD setup so you have some traction
- ignition system
- extensive amounts of tuning and retuning

I'm not saying it's impossible, but a lot of that stuff hasn't even been made before for any Scion, so you wouldn't be able to buy that stuff from any website or store...you'd have to make it all yourself or have someone else make it. It's gonna be hard to make your own transmission (if you don't you'll probably destroy your gearbox), axles (these will break in a heartbeat the first time you launch it), and all of the other technical stuff you need. Again, if you do it I am sure you will be the talk of the Scion enthusiast community...I just am saying you have one hell of a mountain to climb before you get there.
Old 12-13-2004 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Sprockett
As touched on above, to make this whole thing work you would need:
- stronger axles
- stronger clutch
- upgraded and stronger transmission
- sleeved block
- lower compression, forged pistons
- forged rods
- probably an upgraded or at least perfectly balanced crank
- upgraded cams (probably have to have them custom ground)
- upgraded valves
- upgraded valve springs
- upgraded retainers
- upgraded intake manifold (probably custom)
- 3" turbo back exhaust (at least)
- probably 550cc or higher injectors
- some sort of fuel management system that is tuneable
- upgraded fuel pump
- upgraded fuel lines (stock ones probably won't hold the pressure you'll need to run)
- FMIC obviously
- all other turbo components (BOV, wastegate, piping, etc.)
- a good set of tires
- probably some sort of LSD setup so you have some traction
- ignition system
- extensive amounts of tuning and retuning

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Dont forget girdled mains and a good scattershield.

Oh, and you're gonna need a clutch and gearbox to transmit that power.

And cooling, lots of cooling.

may want to dry-sump it as well.

Why not just rop a HEMI in then back seat? Prob'ly cost less.
Old 12-13-2004 | 01:11 AM
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LOL...didn't even read about the theoretical 200+ shot of nitrous. WOW o_O

I have some products that may suit you a little better:

http://www.speedshop.org/store/scrip...p?idproduct=92
http://www.takakaira.com/accessories...ightpager.html

There...I just saved you $60,000. Afterall, it seems as though you're just in it for the "sound we all love" and the ability to spray white mist into the air.

You might want to start calling AEM now and trying to beg them to make a unit that is applicable for a Scion. Otherwise have fun trying to make that work, I hope you are an electrical engineer whose speciality is engine harnesses.

But in other thoughts, I am SURE it will just plug right in.
Old 12-13-2004 | 02:12 AM
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i dont care if this guy replaces all the internals and actually does get 350whp outta it....the tranny wont take it period.....and then there is the axles, can you say snap....the motor mounts...snap snap snap....its an econobox.....get real
Old 12-13-2004 | 03:28 AM
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florida guys do build some fast cars... I highly doubt that he can build it but i hope he proves me wrong... it'll give us some hope...

if they have 1.6 liters making 375 whp... i don't see why they can't make 1.5's do 300 whp... it'll just take some cash and lots of know how...
Old 12-13-2004 | 04:46 AM
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That's about as ignorant as saying Mr. Olympia weighs about 300 lbs and can bench press about 500 lbs, so your fat ___ cousin that works at burger world should be able to put up about the same amount.
Old 12-13-2004 | 05:02 AM
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350 whp is kinda sketchy to me but hopefully he proves use wrong. Good Luck my man!!



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