5th Gen 13-B swap...

220 HP and .2 liters less then what you are running now. Just say goodbye to your 40mpg.

Fear the spinning triangle!!

 

all about the three rotor

 

<3 three rotors, it would definitely be sick to swap. Too bad converting drivetrains suck so much or otherwise i'd do it.

Cya

 

swap schmap... go all motor..

 

all motor with this motor? um yeah. lol. best way would be to do cams , some head work , lightweight this , lightweight that. and itbs. a lot of money to go a route which imo would probably not work so much.

 

Thats not always true. With the right aftermarket support, you could have the xb at around 120-125whp with an all motor set up. Of course, with the right mods to back it up. RIght now it wouldn't be worth it, because it all has to be custom work and custom gets expensive way too easily.

There are lots of performance parts that are supposed to come out early-mid next year for all motor and boost set ups.
The best way to go with all motor IMO with this car:
4-2-1 header
stage 2 cam
stage 3 clutch
rebuild tranny
ECU upgrade to standalone (all motor, not boost)
Light weight crank pulley
Stroke to 1.6l or 1.7l at most, to keep it safe and daily.
Stage 2 ignition upgrade
port polish
fuel injectors and fuel rail
CAI
Full custom 2.25'' piping exhaust with high flow cats, or no cat at all with either universal muffler or custom to fit the piping and a decent outlet size. I'd probably go with a 90mm tip. muffler.

All of that, should put you easy 130whp. Only problem is, half that stuff isn't out for the 1nz. So having all that custom work, would be an easy $15,000. Worth it? To me, no. Only way to go right now is boost until more stuff comes out. And even then, i'd probably still go with boost then upgrade some things. You generally can always get more whp when you run boost vs. n/a. No matter what you do.

Cya

 

i don't remember who posted this link, but it's an 1nzfe engine kit....interesting I must say...price...it hurts my soul, I wonder what the gains are?

Toyota Echo 16V DOHC 2000-03
Engine
Code Stock
Bore Includes: Kit #/Price
1NZFE 75mm Complete Gasket Set
Performance Copper Head Gasket
ROSS/Wiseco Forged Pistons
(75, 75.5, 76mm) and
(8.5, 9.0, 9.5, 10.0 comp ratio)
Plasma Moly Rings
TOGA HP Main Bearings
TOGA HP Rod Bearings
Thrust Washers EKTO41MPX
$969

I wonder though...if it can still apply 03+ I swear, if I had tons of money I'd just have my engine taken out and sent to Japan to any of the tuners that participate in the Vitz Cup.

 

Hmm... Whered you pick this information up? Thats cheap.

Cya

 

yeah it is cheap. but will it be relaible for a regualr car. aka not being broken down and rebuilt after so many odd hours.

 

When i built the n/a gs-r, i didn't have any problems with very similar mods to my list..and then some. I wouldn't see why it would be different for the 1nz-fe. Smaller motor, less whp gains..But as for reliability, i would imagine you could daily it for years before comming across any sort of issues. So long as everything is tuned correctly, you run premium and everything is working properly.

Cya

 

cheap? lol, I wish I could say that! here's the link

http://www.importperformanceparts.ne...ek-toyota.html

Toyota HP Engine Kits
IPP's High Performance (HP) Engine Rebuild Kits are designed for building motors for expected HP increases above stock. Our kits include everything you need to build and protect your motor from small to large HP ranges and up to 1000 HP (including use of turbochargers, Nitrous, Superchargers or all motor on gas).

the site said this also:
No more wasting time trying to choose the right parts for your application. Our engineering staff has done all the research and hard work for you. Plus, it's all available in a discount priced kit
So I assume that it's reliable...meh...I dunno

 

hmm i would hope it;s reliable.

 

i'm guessing they have done any scions or else people would have broken the 150whp mark and NOT blown up or run into mulitple engine management problems. let alone who cares nothing will ever be carb legal which blows total ****.

 

Sucks to be in Cali.

Cya

 

i was just looking over these kits only good thing about them is pistons if you wanna go lower compression aka lots of boost . that's about it. or a 1mm increase in size. weak.

 

i've come up with an idea to safeguard cali peeps from hood pops.

 

and that would beee...?

 

pm me for details.

 

I wonder if there's a difference in the pre-2003 Echo engine? Has it always had the offset crank? Maybe that's the engine that the swap-talkers are overlooking... Doubtful, but who knows...

 

Hmm...but the ends so justify the means on this one. If only I was rich...
My dream one day is a quad-rotor El Camino...well...more like a converti-rx7 but...
Just think of pulling up to an El Camino and it smokes your but!

The three rotor may not fit in the xA bay without seious mods, not just converting drivetrain. It would be a pain in the but, with the 13B you at least have more room to work with.

I know a guy with a third gen RX7 and a three rotor, he has had it up to like, 180 MPH and just into 5th gear with the windows open... wonder what it can do with the windows up.