2nd the notion on the weird mojo/spell when it comes to most Scion owners.. Don't know what it is. Most will argue a distant point looming over the horizon than see what's dead smack in their lap.

I would assume this has to do with the market. To some, this is their first "sporty car". And I think the wool is just too thick to see through.



The ECU has one concern when it comes down to bolt on parts. Emissions. It doesn't care that you just bought a $300 intake or exhaust. All it cares about is target A/F value. Which is why I asked Ghosty to post the A/F plot concerning is "Unbiased Testing".

You do realize that all that it takes to make MORE power is to start flashing the ECU ROM or install an after market computer. Newer OBDII / Can-Bus ECU don't care one bit about power. It's all Emissions. And if you start piggy backing CPU after CPU.. it's just going to revert to it's mapping; which cares not about power.

 

apparently the mojo runs rampant nowadays.

oh and frogbox never did i say i would show slips. i know what i ran and with what i have , where i live and previous drag experience my numbers are believeable.


and if you are completely built n/a the valve well not so uch the valve but the stock exhaust with teh valve in it will not perform, it MAY not for sure but MAY have more torque , but for example 3 extra ft/lbs be worth a loss of say 5hp? or 10 hp ?

to me ? no.

to him maybe so.

unless you don't know what you are doing when modifing/hopping up a car these cars will always have pretty respectable torque numbers in close quarters with their horsepower output. if you do dumb things you could have all torque and hardly any hp which is better than the more often than not no torque decent hp. aka honduh. no ***** till 4k or more.

never am i saying any names on correctly tuned and incorrectly tuned cars , but i'm sure a lot of people can plainly see who is and who is not doing things correctly.

and frogbox , thanx for trying to talk down on me. REAL mature.

 

Now, THAT's where the power can come from. A modded ECU or a piggy back system ala a Power Commander of sorts. Why hasn't anyone thought of this, yet? Why not make a Power Commander for a car? Is the system non accepting of such a system?

I'd be very interested in a set-up like I described. We use them on current crop road race motorcycles and I am baffled that there isn't a system like that for cars....

 

I'm not sure why there aren't any places ROM tuning.

I believe their are some after market EMS preparing to make PnP ECU for our cars.

Which brings up the next question. How much is the avg. owner going to pay for this? Most will consider it too expensive. Either due to lack of funds or not wanting to put $$$ into a cheap car.

peace.

 

For instance, AEM.

30-1142 EMS
04-up Scion xB
04-up Scion xA
03-04 Matrix
03-04 Corolla

Still in R&D stage.

 

You shouldn't atack somones credibility when they are just stateing a truthful fact. This seems to be the only manner in which some people can express themselves. The truth of the matter is that some sponsers will not allow you to discuss details and some will. If you want to know all about me dropping vivid racing as a sponsor I will be more than happy to tell you all you want to know. I ran another post with dyno results they were truthful but yet due to some skeptism I was going to redo all the testing and finish it off with another part. I was also planning on going back to stock and doing a baseline which had been suggested. Due to peoples flaming and impatience I got fed up with it and took the post down. Why you call this damaging to somones credibility I don't know because you can blame yourself. I wanted to redo the testing to make sure 100 percent that everything was correct and it's not exactly cheap to pay for that many pulls on the dyno not to mention tying up the dyno while changing parts. I tried to do something good for the community and instead of giving me the time to finish the testing you people atack my credibility and basically call me a liar.

You guys also can't believe that there is a very important valve in the muffler and you basically call me a liar Thats not right. I spend my time money and effort not only trying to improve my car but to help others. And you have the audasity to blast me for everything under the sun. I really don't understand how some people can be that filled with hate it is BS and makes it a very hostile forum for everyone. Everytime a good thread is written and good things are taking place people either destroy it with words or lock the thread for no reason. I am very sorry that aftermarket companies have flooded the market with false claims of horsepower gains from catbacks on the scions. Thats not my fault. I am currently running the TRD header but not the muffler and you cannot expect to gain more than 2whp from any aftermarket XA or XB catback on a natrually aspirated car. The valve in the muffler helps provide more tourque and it does make a noticable diffrence from the feedback I am getting and the magazine writeups. Why should I post or be involved in making the cars better if I am going to get flamed or discredited just because I ask for time to finish my testing or because I have sighned a non disclosure agreement with some of my sponsors. Does that make me less credible maybe in your eyes it does but instead of sitting here flaming people I am out trying to help the community and trying to make these cars better. There are alot of good people here and the ones that aren't shouldn't ruin the forums for the people who actually care about the cars. I have tons of things I am working on from getting wiring harnesses built for standalones with kenzo at power enterprise to doing a gas tank carbon filter workaround for people who keep having problems. To going in october to my sponsor ATR to have a new supercharger made for the Xa that will work on the automatics. So flame me if you want but your going to lose somone who wants to help everybody. I am sorry if you don't think the valve is important just don't start scratching your head when you get passed by somone with a stock muffler.As far as the TRD muffler is concerned it is made by a third party borla just like there swaybar which is made by hotchkis and I don't get third party parts for free i have to pay for them just like you and currently I am not running the TRD muffler although I plan to go back to stock muffler or the TRD If I get the TRD I will have it coated so it won't turn that yellow color. I drive an automatic which doesn't command alot of respect from alot of you guys but I had a lift fall on my ankle and cannot work a clutch anymore. I'm tired of arguing with people over undisputable facts. believe what you want to believe I am going to take the advice of a very respected guy on here and fly under the radar and not post anything else that might cause a stir because people just go to far. goodnight

 

never have i doubted the valve being in place but i know that a properly setup catback will be better than the vlaved stock muffler. on cars worthy of a cat back.

 

^^^
This is pretty much all this thread has turned into.

Going back to stock to do a base line due to peoples flaming? If you knew how to do a dyno report properly, you'd know that's the first thing you would do then add one part and do a dyno, then another and so on.

"...you people atack my credibility and basically call me a liar. "
Yes we do attack your "credibility" because for one: we don't know who you are personally, two: you need to have visual evidence for us to examine in order to back up your claims and three: whenever someone makes a counter point you automatically go a defensive and begin to cry about how no one cares about your wanting to find "the truth". Who are you Steven Colbert?

"I am very sorry that aftermarket companies have flooded the market with false claims of horsepower gains from catbacks on the scions."
And what’s the big deal about companies "flooding" the market with exhaust systems... you say that like this has never been done to any other type of car.

"...or because I have sighned a non disclosure agreement with some of my sponsors."
And just how were we to know you signed some disclosure with one of your sponsors? Maybe if you had mentioned this in the first place, your "credibility" might still be intact.

"I have tons of things I am working on from getting wiring harnesses built for standalones with kenzo at power enterprise to doing a gas tank carbon filter workaround for people who keep having problems. To going in october to my sponsor ATR to have a new supercharger made for the Xa that will work on the automatics."
And why must you constantly bring up your other "projects"? These have NOTHING to do with the topic at hand! What the hell does that first sentence even mean!?

"I am sorry if you don't think the valve is important just don't start scratching your head when you get passed by somone with a stock muffler."
Dude, I've had my I/H/E setup for a while and I've already beaten two Cameros, a Honda and an Eclipse. I highly doubt some jackass will pass me with a stock muffler.

You're tired arguing with people over undisputable facts? "Indisputable" to you but clearly they are disputable, OTHER WISE THIS THREAD WOULD NOT HAVE TURNED INTO WHAT IT HAS! The Sun revolving around the Earth was an Indisputable fact back in the 1500's, and clearly we all know better now, right?

I'm glad you're taking someone’s advice, obviously you won't say who it is; just like the people who claimed to pm you with "support". There were plenty of people here, Lizard1 and myself trying to give you advice to keep your "credibility" and/or regain some of it, but clearly that fell to deaf ears (eyes?).

 

I don't know. For motorcycles, it is around $300+ for good ones. The Yosh Box I refer to is for actually flashing the stock ECU. You plug it in and then program for two circuits (Older GSXR stuff - up to 2002). The one circuit is lean/rich mixture for each cylinder the other cirsuit is for rich/lean at throttle position...

It's cheap, but I believe it is for 32 bit systems... They make one for the new 64, but it is EXPENSIVE...

 

This has been quoted above, but here's another take...

What sponsors ask you not to disclose you being a sponsored racer? One, you're not a racer and probably just a street show kid who likes to tell stories. I work for a company that supports VERY high end racing athletes and let me say, there isn't a one who has a disclosure document signed telling them not to disclose their sposnorship. They sign a contract that has in it that any informantion that is the sole property of said sponsor shall not be disclosed unless approved. That's simply information.

Would you like to dig a bigger hole? If there's one thing I know, it is racing sponsorship and you are tell bold face lies or covering up because if your name gets out, we can actually Google your info and you'd be discovered as a fraud.


Couple of issues here. First and froemost, if you are sponsored to the point you CANNOT disclose it concerning TRD, why are you paying for dyno runs? You blew it again.

Secondly, IF you have to pay for pulls, then that's why you dyno in the way you do. You simply bolted a crap load of stuff bolted onto the car at ONE time. Instead of posting figures via a graph (You ALWAYS get a graph - especially if you paid for it like you claim) of the car stock and then progressively with the bolt-ons, you'd gain credibility.

By the way, my XB makes 192.7 hp w/o a turbo or supercharger? Why and how? Because I said it does and I am sponsored.

Get the point?



Let me type this in bold so you get it quicker. If i could draw stick figures, i would... NO ONE IS QUESTIONING THAT THE VALVE IS THERE. NO ONE REALLY CARES ABOUT THE STOCK MUFFLER!

Here's the issue. It is what you say about the said valve and teh fact that you commented saying that the cars DO NOT respond to mods. If you are, in fact a sponsored racer (And not some street tuner that takes his car to shows and listens to everyone and reads some articles and becomes a "know it all"), you'd know that dyno tests PROOVE that there are MANY different mods that actually benefit and enhance the performance of these and many other cars.

You also stated OBD3 which is bogus. Again, insert foot into mouth.

All you simply do is create excuses and hinge on the only things that you can - the valve and the dyno runs. Everything else is so full of crap and absolutely nothing more than digging bigger holes.


We're not filled with hate. What you don't understand about public forums is the fact that there ARE those of us who are sponsored racers or who WERE sponsored racers or who DO work for companies who sponsor racers. What you are doing here is a disgrace and a slap in the face of every racer who works hard for support. What you don't realize is that many of us have connections and can ask around. TRD isn't sponsoring you. You may have a friend or a family member out there you know who works for TRD, but again, your comments contradict themselves. You need to re-read your comments and make sure if you insist on lying about things that your comments all work together to paint a picture of truth.

By the way, your threads are NOT good for anyone. You don't dyno and tune in steps that are useful and your comments are misinformed regurgitated words most likely from something you read or overheard at a meet.


Every company including Toyota file false claims. If you are supported in such a high manner as to not be able to disclose being sponosred by TRD, you'd know that. Manufacturers use numbers to their advantage. HP numbers are inflated because the test machine isn't the same as the production machine. Or, the hp numbers are higher than the magazine tests because they are using different dynos. The list is endless. Weights are measured dry, but dry to the manufacturer is w/o oil, brake fluid, any liquid substance. When we weigh, that oil, that brake fluid, everything is in there and weighed and thus, a heavier weight. Basically, stuff you SHOULD know, but don't.

No, you are reading what is coming or what is being thought of by reading magazines. If you are "working" on a wiring harness, a supercharger, and a carbon filter, you are an engineer and not a sponsored racer. Since you live in Colorado and with your mother, I am proposing that is NOT the case.

The funny thing about Japanese manufacturers is that their test people are engineers. They do not allow one off guys testing their stuff unless you are a championship winning racer, which you aren't. So, again, learn before you lie. It would help you out...

My heart goes out to you and again, your lies are killing your story. IF you are sponsored by TRD and a racer with a KILLER contract, you can't be racing with an ankle so bad that you can't drive a manual tranny.

Look, you've been busted. You've been called out, and you certainly are NOT credible.

Wanna help the community out? Stop posting unless you are legit. It helps us all out and what really ticks everyone off is someone who is telling lies and who stands up and argues about it.

I'm sure you are a nice kid, but get things together, be honest and the world won't be as bad. Otherwise, don't waste our time...

 

have you ever heard of disbled drivers guess what there are tons of drivers in baja and everywhere else but you want to call me out because I am disabled and yes I do run SCCA kiss my ____ing ___ you heartless piece of ____ I told the truth so ____ you

 

Dude, there's no use in your posting anymore, you've already "threatened" to leave about three times now.

Put up or shut up.

And seeing as this thread held no merit to begin with, I'm surprised it hasn't been locked already. Seems like a fine time to me.

 

mentally?

 

and with the valve we may be talking about a small percent but that small percent still makes it better than anything aftermarket you can buy your off topic you have been off topic administrators have let this go on so they are just as responsible you atack me personally disect my posts and make up pure lies that amount to defamation and slander you want to criticize somone because there disabled I am sure the colorado office of human rights will be very pleased to see that this was allowed you have no integrity and have turned this post into a personal attack without merit because you cannot prove that I am wrong about the valve in the stock exhaust. I don't give a crap who you work for you don't know anything about certain sponsers. you haven't done any dyno testing to back up what you say your a fake a phony and obviously a heartless gutless person. I don't even think you can call yourself a man. I told the truth you atack people in a heartless and gutless way. you feel safe behind your computer screen and thats where you hide you went to far and now I will do what I need to do.

 

Mods, don't lock this yet, my popcorn isn't ready!!

Oh, and for the record Ghostrider, since you pulled the slander card, you're the only person in this whole thread who called others here names. No one else has caled you names, only called you out to prove your stories to show you have some creibility to your claims.

I could care less about this whole muffler valve issue. So take it from an unbiased poster when I say after reading your rebuttles to other posts, you strike me as someone who isn't even old enough to have a driver's license.

Tend to your wounds and just drop it, your future posts on Scion performance will most likely be passed over in the future.

 

I tried to clean this and let it go on but it has deteriorated again and isn't going any further.