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Old 08-31-2006 | 08:45 AM
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I want an Electric super charger.... NO Im not talking about those mini a/c blowers on ebay....well i am sort of, but consider it, why is it so stupid to think a charger not stealing vital bhp to in the end only have to reproduce this hp by producing more boost which is stressfull to engine internals.

Is it so bad to want instantanious response, for that push-button kick in the pants that you won't have to worry about haveing a nos bottle shot through your chest cavity. Im not looking to put 6 g's in my car (just yet), lose my warranty and still have to pay for tuition.

Basicly what im saying is why isnt their some thing to fill this hole in my heart. And that is why I have turned to you. But seriously look at it from a technical standpoint, the creation of a true electric supercharger.
Old 08-31-2006 | 09:45 AM
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IMO its a waste but it would b fun just to play with cuzz i've found one at someones house and put it on my box just for da hell of it and had my hour of fun but yea its a waste......but i have heard that there is one out there pushin 1psi of boost prollly da most an electric supercharger can do...........just my 2cents
Old 08-31-2006 | 09:04 PM
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The concept sounds great. However, what people fail to realize is that electric or mechanical, the supercharger must draw its power from somewhere. In the case of a mechanical supercharger, it draws it via a belt attached to the crankshaft. With an electric supercharger, the power is drawn from your charging system. Hence, unless there is a paradigm shift in regards to the electrical design of cars (which will come eventually) there is simply no efficient way to overcome the excessive drain presented to the charging system by an electric supercharger. Not to mention the weight of the components needed to provide any sort of meaningful boost. This isn't to say that it CAN'T be done, just that it will NOT be cheaper than a mechanical supercharging system. Least not yet.

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Old 08-31-2006 | 09:12 PM
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Is it so bad to want instantanious response, for that push-button kick in the pants that you won't have to worry about haveing a nos bottle shot through your chest cavity.
unfortunatly, that sound exactly like what you need...NOS

if done right, you will have no fears about a bottle coming loose.

as for the electric SC...it would only be helpfull in the very low RPMs...and a very small help at that.

i don't know of too many electric fans that can spin @ 15K-20K.
you can do it through gearing, but then the electric motor would be as big as an elevator motor.
Old 08-31-2006 | 09:27 PM
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Look at this:

http://www.boosthead.com/product.php?id=18


http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/04..._supercharger/
Old 08-31-2006 | 09:54 PM
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Wow, good find! I wonder if we'll see anyone on the boards get one once they're released? Price is reasonable, however it's a pretty bare bones "kit". Basically just the supercharger. You provide, batteries, wiring, switches, etc. Then there's the whole 14-second burst limit. This makes the system more comparable to a nitrous oxide system in my mind. Which can obviously be had for less than $1800. But as the company states, once battery technology evolves sufficiently, this may be a viable alternative to traditional FI methods.

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Like this?

http://videos.streetfire.net/iPlayer...D-A1AD23CA9564
Old 09-01-2006 | 03:01 AM
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http://www.electricsupercharger.com/faq.shtml
Check this out. Alot of interesting info there. Especially on the current draw.
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^^LMAO ok guys your other posts were ok but im going with a leafblower and nos LMAO J/K wow thats really sweet i had thought of the caps and knew it would only safely be effective in short burst as not to kill my battery. Along with a high output alternator and an optima battery and i have found what i am looking for, i mean if you read the full article the esc could push 15psi on a 1750cc motor on a 1.5L thats 17.5 pounds of boost.

Cmon guys im really excited to see what ive been thinking about for months is finally at least possible, You got to see the potential in this set up, with the mods equivelent to some of you audiophiles i can run a reasonable amount of boost longer and safer than nos. Its like Electric nos the same features but BETTER!
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as for the 14 second burst, on that was on a 3.5L, turning down the boost for our 1.5L would mean less voltage and a longer burst time, how long does a shot of nos last? plus i see the "barebones" setup as a plus, you shop for what you want at your prices, not inflated shop prices
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as for weight, i would be reducing weight with an upgraded optima battery and then yes of course the unit itself weights 70 pounds but thats still less than any turbo unit. well i dont know if thats true but if it isnt ill just go on a diet! lol
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scratch that it ONLY WEIGHTS 17LBS!
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Yes, a 14second burst is comparable to nitrous oxide, if used in a 1/4 mile drag type application. However the difference seems to be, from what I read, that your battery bank will need to be recharged after every burst. If you buy a HO alternator and connect the ESC to your charging system, that might be ok. Otherwise, you get one burst, then you have to go plug in? Maybe I read it wrong, but thats how it seemed to me. I wonder what would happen if you used Optima Deep Cycle batteries instead? Maybe get a little more out of them between charges. Anyway, like I said, it seems like a really cool idea. I just won't be the first one to try it.
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with an optima battery and some caps, and an H-O alternator i have nothing to worry about and would be uncomprable to nos, as far as duration and saftey, and effectiveness on our 1.5L motors, at the S/C running voltage, you could push 5.3 psi easy.
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Hey guys im was thinking alittle about the setup i would need to run this electric super charger any ideas?
Old 09-03-2006 | 02:38 AM
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""Maximum CFM 455 CFM""

Our engines ingest maybe 140cfm in stock form, so it CAN actually push enough air to generate boost.

Using an 8HP motor also is a sign it can actually push boost ( a belt driven one will eat about 8-10hp from the crank to drive it ).

Interesting.. but for 1700$, spend the extra 400$ and get the greedy blower. Mechanical and going to last longer, and doesn't need to recharge....
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Well boogie, the thing i love most about this setup is the size, as well as my being the only one i know of to run this kind of charger. I know there is alot i am over seeing and that is why im asking you guys for the opinions to make it work. I am no mechanical engineer or anything so i want to make sure all i want is possible.

The site makes it look so easy but as far as electrical work i am also not an electrical engineer. this is waht im looking for, i will be needing to push 24 volts on a 12volt base system, how do i do that?! i need to know also that my calculations are correct, i have yet to contact TKT (thomas knight turbos) but their office is only open for 2 hours or atleast the phones so it has proven difficult.
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Alex it is a great idea in theory..but I would say either 35 shot of nitrous or SC or turbo it. As you well know you all ways want more and more. I would hate to see you spend your money on somthing that can only take you so far... So just keep that in mind when deciding.
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Their line runs from 250 cfm to 750. as for recharging i plan on a HO alternator which if anyone could point me in the right direction, and some nice battery packs to store some charge, as far as actuall recharging time, i expect to do atleast a bit longer than the time suggested.
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Is this the one you are looking at?


http://www.electricsupercharger.com/eramspecs.shtml



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