ya i hear ya billy i want to contact TKT and see about a sponsorship or something. i do have high hopes for it and if all else fails back to the drawing board, as far as nos and sc goes i would rather bump it up to a nice zpi turbo in a few years. You see that was what was also so appealing to me, no real proof of what was going on if i needed to take my box in for work due to engine failure.

 

nah its the one in dj sparkys post bout 15 up, its a centerfugial charger with an 8 hp motor. I had seen that a while back but its not what i was looking for, at best that pusshes 2psi i think it says but if you look at the TKT its got alot of potential.

As far as how it would work i had thought out most of what they put on the site when i was thinking of getting a centerfugial pump and a 1 hp motor of ebay. haha kindof a funny thougth now that i think about it, i wanted to come out with a finished product but nothing i had seen really did teh trick, untill i saw dj's post.

 

Werd.. thats understandable... The one in the pic above states 10 hp for $300 so that is $30 per 1 hp which isnt bad.. But keep me up to date on what you decide to do. :D

 

didnt see that but check out the dyno done by s3 mag, it made about 6 horse power and torque by 5 which for a 3 bills seems very substantial considering thats probalby more than headers make and they run higher than 300,

if you check out the dynos on the esc made 98.5hp and 84.2 at 5 psi and was switched on at 5000 rpms..

 

These runs, according to the site, where made with out any fuel correction. As far as ive read the xb runs perrty rich, which is why your able to get away with some boost, for now i wouldnt go any higher than 5 psi untill i had the proper gear to run any higher.

What kinda gains do you think i would see from that low boost. BTW (Billy) your putin out 7.5 with emanage?? how do you nos guys do it to run say a 35 shot of nos which i would hope to be the equivelent of the 5 psi.

 

Also what about fuel managment, and larger injectors?

 

So if you get this ..it will only put out 1 psi of boost?

 

no at 24volts on our 1.5L engine it puts out 5.3 psi.

 

Sorry maybe I missed it in the prevoius post.. But how are you going to run 24 volts??

 

I would run two 12 volt batteries in parrallel directly connected to the sc but im going to run 2 pair in parrallel to have a total of 4 smaller battereies to run it.

 

Okay guys i need help on this if i run emanage will i have to run boost at a particular time only or does emanage tune out multiple maps so i can boost when ever i want for how long i want???

 

metal112524,

I don't have anything for ya to read on the greddy emanage, maybe talk to greddy or check out their website or a local speed shop for imports. If you have any other questions that I can answer pm me anytime. What have you done with your box any bolt on parts like dc header trd muffler or aem cai or perrin pulley.

 

So far i have done the perrin pulley and injen is2100. What I have planned is another story, the main reason I am getting the esc is so that I may see the direct results of the ESC and then see what happens as I add headers and exhaust.

 

So I had a 30 minute convo with the guy over at knight turbos and gave me an ear full as well as a page full of stats for the ESC they sell.

THANKS FOR THE INTEREST IN OUR ESC UNITS. ALL OF OUR UNITS USE AT LEAST 24V, AND SOME UP TO 96 VOLTS. THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE SIMPLE FACT THAT BATTERIES AND CABLES CAN ONLY CARRY A LIMITED AMOUNT OF POWER. SO WE FIRST MUST UNDERSTAND THE HP REQUIRED TO MAKE BOOST. THE SIMPLIFIED FORMULA IS 3.5HP PER 5 PSI PER 1000CC @ 5000 RPM. THEN WE LOOK AT 1 HP = ABOUT 1000 WATTS TO DETERMINE THE POWER NEEDED FROM THE BATTERIES. ONCE WE DETERMINE THOSE FACTORS, WE DECIDE WHAT SIZE ESC WE WANT. THERE ARE THREE VERSIONS:

ESC-350CM--USES A 6.8HP 24V MOTOR 250CFM @ 5 PSI
ESC-550CM--USES A 15HP 48V MOTOR 500CFM @ 5 PSI
ESC-750CM--USES A 26HP 72V MOTOR 750CFM @ 5 PSI

SO WE LOOK AT YOUR 1500CC ENGINE AND WE KNOW THE ESC-350 WILL WORK FINE. WE CAN MAKE 5 PSI WITH TWO 12V BATTERIES. NO NEED TO LOOK FARTHER UNLESS YOU HAVE A BULLY BUILT RACE ENGINE AND WANT TO RUN HIGHER BOOST. WE COULD CALCULATE THE MOST WE COULD GET THIS WAY:

ESC-750, 26HP. 1500CC = 3.5HP PER 1000CC X 1.5 = 5.25 HP @ 5000 RPM. A RACE ENGINE WOULD SPIN 7500 RPM, SO WE MUST ADD 50% TO THE FORMULA--5.25HP X 1.5 = 7.87 HP (ROUND OFF TO 8HP). SO 26/8 = 3.25, SO 5 PSI X 3.25 = 16 PSI BOOST. THIS MEANS A BUILT 1500CC 7500 RPM RACE ENGINE COULD MAKE 15 PSI WITH AN ESC-750. AN ESC-550 WOULD MAKE ABOUT 10 PSI, AND THE 350 WOULD MAKE 5 PSI. PRETTY SIMPLE.

NOW WE LOOK AT THE POWER/AMPS NEEDED. YOUR ENGINE WITH AN ESC-350 WOULD USE 6HP (1HP = 1000 WATTS), SO 6000 WATTS. USING WATTS = VOLTS X AMPS AS A GUIDE, WE NOW KNOW WHY WE CANT DO AN ESC AT 12V. ALL ELECTRIC MOTORS DRAW 150% TO 200% RUNNING POWER TO START THE MOTOR. 6000 WATTS IS 500 AMPS AT 12V, AND AT START-UP THAT WOULD BE 750-1000 AMPS. YOUR TYPICAL CAR BATTERY IS RATED AT ABOUT 300 AMPS. NOT TO BE CONFUSING, BUT BATTERIES HAVE THREE RATINGS. MCA, CCA, AND CA. MOMENTARY CRANKING AMPS, COLD CRANKING AMPS, AND CRANKING AMPS. MOMENTARY IS WHAT ALL COMPANIES STARTED TO USE TO SAY THEIR BAT WAS THE MOST POWERFUL, BUT IT IS ONLY RATED AT 3 SECONDS UNDER IDEAL 75 DEGREE CONDITIONS. CCA WILL BE 70% OF MCA, AND CA WILL BE 50% ON AVERAGE. SO THE 800 CRANKING AMPS BAT YOU SEE ONLY HAS 400 TRUE USABLE AMPS FOR OUR ESC. BUT IF YOU DOUBLE THE VOLTAGE, AMPS ARE CUT IN HALF. RUN 48 VOLTS, AND AMPS ARE 25%, ETC.

THE ESC-350 WOULD BE IDEAL. YOU COULD EXPECT ABOUT EIGHT 1/4 MILE RUNS WITH TWO YELLOW TOP OPTIMAS, AND WITH A 200 AMP ALTERNATOR TO BE FULLY RECHARGED WITH 30 MINUTES OF DRIVING

 

The reading ive been doing has scared me into not wanting to even attempt to boost anymore....

 

Hi guys, there was a customer that came with ERam. Well I can tell you it did not even give 1hp on our dyno. The engine was sucking in more air than the ERam would dish out. It was tested on a Toyota Matrix. Im not sure how the others will work, but from that Turbo magazine article the 5psi helped.

You can mount your afm after the ESC and tune with your hotwire voltage. Just thought, $1600 for ESC, $200 for batteries, $300-400 for Emanage, $100 for Emanage software....youre close to $2200-2300. Why not just go turbo for $2500???

 

I dont NEED emanage do i?? Its for the fact that, the guy told me that he has slod 400 units....since they started 4 years ago, i bought a scion cause its a Scion and furthermor i got an xb because look at it! its not a car it can only be discribed as one thing, well maybe two things but, its an xb. we are constantly trying to be individuals as far as looks go why not be performance wise and not only that but do it better and more efficiently than most, or at least that is my goal. I have been here for 4 days looking for an answer that i never found and now im probably going to lose my car, so hopefully one day ill be back.

 

yes, you will need to run Emanage. The ECU wont compensate enough fuel for the extra boost. Heck, if we need Emanage to run 5-7psi of boost, youll need it. IMO, I would NOT do the ESC. Its not worth the money. I just hope that you want to go this route to be "different" and not to go FI for a little bit less than what a SC or turbo kit would be. In the end, the ESC will cost more. Why are you going to lose your car?

 

Well, how do NOS guys do it, say i was to run at WOT only, then what? I dont see how running 5 psi with no parasitic loss and that as soon as i push the button ill have full spin up in less than a second. im not looking for a cheap replacement for a turbo or supercharger im looking for a way to make this system work.

The car isnt mine i have it through my parents but right now i cant pay for it. i have school to pay and have had difficulty finding another job. I have been asking numerous companys looking for a wrap.

 

DAMN YOU ZPI!!!!! I couldnt believe that xbvstc vid so im calling some bull, you cant even here the tc, well anyways, after reading zpi's thread knowing that i can have something like that is seemingly better than going with some new tech.

and seeing as i have no prior or indepth knowledge of engineering, i must say i feel as though i am beat... uless rollhard answers my question.