dsmx17

from what I gather from this post, you have to "floor" it to get power....well ill be.
also, I gathered that the 16g didnt spool on your car untill 6000rpm? thats strange considering there compressor maps are damn near linear untill boost comes up. so belive what you want, from who you want, I think they used the wrong trim 16g.

TuningIsLife

We (spooledmotorsports) recommend using the 14B turbos on any motor that is 1.5L to 2.2L in size looking to make anywhere between 200 and 300 horsepower.

SPECS:
Mitsubsihi model number: TD05H-14B
Horsepower Capabilities: ~300hp
Internal Wastegate: Yes
Water cooled: Yes
Wastegate setting: 7-10 psi


Here is a link to all the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries turbo flow maps http://www.stealth316.com/2-3s-compflowmaps.htm

and here is a complete turbo upgrade guide http://www.stealth316.com/2-turboguide.htm

ProshopXB

Dont know, dont care.. moved on to faster, stronger and way better built cars than a Scion... But no full spool was not 6k, more like 3.4- 3.5 k if I remeber correctly.. so 3.4k or 2.2k.. which spool would you rather have???

dsmx17

pat, the pure fact is that for, roughly the same price as a 14b, which flows 430cfm, you could have a physically identical turbo that spools no later than 500rpm and flows 520 cfm, lamens terms, say you are running the 8psi zpi kit with the 14b and produce "180"whp, the same kit with the "small" 16g would make 10 more whp at the same boost level, and raise at roughly a 1:1 rate in hp VS psi as to the 14b.

let me state again, im not hating on their kit, just wanting to know why not use a higher max choke rate turbo if the price is similar, proshopXb, please dont make me delve into the srt-4 Vs everything debate, you wont win. also, as for your car being the test dummy, which 16g did they test on your car? td05? td06? big? small? evo3? you cant say it made 1500rpm difference without being more specific, since its impossible for a small 16g to spool taht much later than the stock 14b.

ProshopXB

Im not here to talk about SRT-4's or Diamond Star Motors either.. by any means.. But I do love me an EVO , just wish I could afford one... But the turbo used was a EVO III Big 16g.. I have know doubt your not hating on the kit, your just trying to have questions answered..But they did change it for a reason and it worked well.. Cause it made a slow econo box, somthing fun to drive.. But if you really want to get your questions answered you should ask them here: http://www.zeropointindustries.net/forum/ .. you might get better answers from the people who actually fabbed and built the kit..

dsmx17

aha. thus the slower spool. as for actually getting my question answered, I dont care about that anymore it dosent matter why they chose the 14b, I personally wouldnt use it, but if you enjoy buying turbos more than once, or dont plan to go much further than the 14b ceiling, then its all symantics.

RHDVIPbB

The 14b is just fine for everyday use. It is a basic kit. Until you get into building the motor and turning the boost up, you probably won't max out the 14b.

TuningIsLife

TO me, a smaller turbo is plenty enough. I don't claim to be a turbo expert like some SRT4 Owners (proshop not included) but I am willing to learn and learning I am. Personally, I will be using ZPI's kit, proshop's to be exact. and I want the shortest spool time possible. When it becomes proven that I can add some N20 to the mix to decrease spool time and that when build our motors can handle more then 11psi, then I might consider upgrading to a MHI 16G 60 trim. Until that point, I will sit back and watch everyone else blow everything up :grin:

Sciond

why are we arguing about a kit that does not exist.....well at least for purchase at a retail level.........

ProshopXB

The same reason people argue about... Bigfoot, lockness monster and aliens.... Cause we got nothing better to do..

TuningIsLife

Bigfoot where?!

Simmo

so does ZPI have a kit for xA yet? if yes, what's the wait time ?

RHDVIPbB

The kit for the xA and xB is the same. The only difference is the FMIC and piping. I don't know if they ever got one to fabricate the piping on. but you can always call the shop or check on their website.