Notices
Scion xA/xB 1st-Gen ICE & Interior In-car entertainment and electronics...

How to wire subs

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-15-2005 | 08:33 PM
  #1  
RanmaP's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 250
From: Reno, NV
Default How to wire subs

I've been wiring subs ever since high school, but only played with SVC subs and/or use only 1 DVC sub.

I am not sure how to wire 2 DVC subs. I can see that you can run wires to the other sub for linking (either series or parallel) in a box that has no separate chamber.

How do you link the subs if your box has separate chamber for each sub? Do you drill a hole through that and run a wire to the other sub?
Old 03-15-2005 | 08:36 PM
  #2  
chipzxb's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Scinergy
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,760
From: Colorado
Default

A little hole won't hurt... You could wire it outside the box to...Either way works
Old 03-15-2005 | 08:49 PM
  #3  
RanmaP's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 250
From: Reno, NV
Default Hmmm

Originally Posted by chipzxb
A little hole won't hurt... You could wire it outside the box to...Either way works

I was thinking about drilling a hole, run the wires and then silicon the hole. But.... is the the correct way? Seems like a 1/2 job... *hehe*

Plus I'm not sure how to go about wiring it outside the box. Not fimilar with that method.

Each chamber has its own speaker terminal (the red & black connectors). If I link the subs I would eventually be using only one of those terminals.

Is that why they build some MONO amp with 2 positive and 2 negative? They assume you'll wire these separately?
Old 03-15-2005 | 09:08 PM
  #4  
Lonely_Raven's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,030
From: Wheaton, IL
Default

Dude, if you've been wiring any speakers before, then you
should be able to figure out your own answer.

Figure out what impedance you need to match your amp,
consider the DVC pair of subs as if they are 4 individual
subs, and wire them to match the amp appropriately.

Once you have your plan, wiring should be a simple, common
sense problem solving.

Also, without posting exactly what gear you are using, nobody
could give more guidance then that.
Old 03-15-2005 | 09:57 PM
  #5  
RanmaP's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 250
From: Reno, NV
Default Yes...

Originally Posted by Lonely Raven
Dude, if you've been wiring any speakers before, then you
should be able to figure out your own answer.

Figure out what impedance you need to match your amp,
consider the DVC pair of subs as if they are 4 individual
subs, and wire them to match the amp appropriately.

Once you have your plan, wiring should be a simple, common
sense problem solving.

Also, without posting exactly what gear you are using, nobody
could give more guidance then that.
Its already in and I'm using it. Just asking how do others do it... obviouslly I won't post ____ and get anything back if everyone has the attitude you do.

When you don't know what is right then how do you know if your wrong?! ____...

How many ways can you wire TWO!!!! (2!!!!!) freaking DVC subs. in a separate chamber box. You UNDERSTAND?!
Old 03-15-2005 | 09:59 PM
  #6  
SCI_TC_GUY's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,435
From: Benton, IL
Default

^^^WERD.........what inpedance is each coil?? and what final impedance are you needing??
Old 03-15-2005 | 10:10 PM
  #7  
RanmaP's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 250
From: Reno, NV
Default OK

Originally Posted by SCI_TC_GUY
^^^WERD.........what inpedance is each coil?? and what final impedance are you needing??
FYI...

4 OHM each coil.

My final impedance can be 4Ohm or 1Ohm. Right now I have it wired so the final impedance is 4Ohm. Since its seems to be the most compatible with most amp.
Old 03-15-2005 | 10:21 PM
  #8  
SCI_TC_GUY's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,435
From: Benton, IL
Default

i would agree.......
Old 03-16-2005 | 04:25 AM
  #9  
oneslowxa's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member

SL Member
Team ScioNRG
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 944
Default

what subs (power handling), and what amp do you have?
Old 03-16-2005 | 05:21 AM
  #10  
Reign_Man's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 984
From: Konoha, the leaf village, HI
Default

switch it to 1ohm. u get more power. whats the point have buying an amp and not useing its power? also you can find wiring diagrams very easly. and a lot faster than asking here
Old 03-16-2005 | 05:50 AM
  #11  
Twidget722's Avatar
Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 31
From: Atlanta, GA
Default

Originally Posted by Reign_Man
switch it to 1ohm. u get more power. whats the point have buying an amp and not useing its power? also you can find wiring diagrams very easly. and a lot faster than asking here
Still depends on the amp most of them will begin to cut out at one ohm, and or get extremelly hot,
Rule of thumb would be get a good size two channel amp, and you can do it one of two ways:
Each subs 2 voice coils parrellel from the terminal cup have a wire going to each positive and each negitive and then run the 2 subs in series to each other so you have one wire connecting the positive of one sub to the negitive of the other and then bridge the amp with the positive from the amp going to the open positive on a sub and same with the negitive.
Or you can reverse the whole thing and do each subs voice coils in series and then the two subs in parrellel

either way you will have a 4 ohm load. it sounds alot more difficuilt than it is but i can run you through it if your still lost. just PM me

John
Old 03-16-2005 | 06:51 AM
  #12  
Reign_Man's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 984
From: Konoha, the leaf village, HI
Default

Originally Posted by Twidget722
Originally Posted by Reign_Man
switch it to 1ohm. u get more power. whats the point have buying an amp and not useing its power? also you can find wiring diagrams very easly. and a lot faster than asking here
Still depends on the amp most of them will begin to cut out at one ohm, and or get extremelly hot,

John

yes but he said his options were 1ohm or 4ohm with his amp. thats why i said 1ohm is better.
Old 03-16-2005 | 04:08 PM
  #13  
RanmaP's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 250
From: Reno, NV
Default

Originally Posted by Reign_Man
Originally Posted by Twidget722
Originally Posted by Reign_Man
switch it to 1ohm. u get more power. whats the point have buying an amp and not useing its power? also you can find wiring diagrams very easly. and a lot faster than asking here
Still depends on the amp most of them will begin to cut out at one ohm, and or get extremelly hot,

John

yes but he said his options were 1ohm or 4ohm with his amp. thats why i said 1ohm is better.

Thought about the 1 ohm load. But you know how the mfg say amp can do it but "technically" they can... but after 30 mins of use it gets too hot and shuts off.
Old 03-16-2005 | 04:17 PM
  #14  
RanmaP's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 250
From: Reno, NV
Default Stuff I Have

Originally Posted by Twidget722
Originally Posted by Reign_Man
switch it to 1ohm. u get more power. whats the point have buying an amp and not useing its power? also you can find wiring diagrams very easly. and a lot faster than asking here
Still depends on the amp most of them will begin to cut out at one ohm, and or get extremelly hot,
Rule of thumb would be get a good size two channel amp, and you can do it one of two ways:
Each subs 2 voice coils parrellel from the terminal cup have a wire going to each positive and each negitive and then run the 2 subs in series to each other so you have one wire connecting the positive of one sub to the negitive of the other and then bridge the amp with the positive from the amp going to the open positive on a sub and same with the negitive.
Or you can reverse the whole thing and do each subs voice coils in series and then the two subs in parrellel

either way you will have a 4 ohm load. it sounds alot more difficuilt than it is but i can run you through it if your still lost. just PM me

John
I only have a mono amp to work with.

I think I got the impedence thing figured, its how you would link one sub to the other if enclosure they sell (e.g. qlogic dual 12") have separate chamber for each sub?

Since there is that wall there how are you suppose to link it?

Currently I am wiring each sub separatelly. Parallel it so I get 4 ohm then run that to the amp. Then do the same thing to the other one...... comments?
Old 03-16-2005 | 04:28 PM
  #15  
Lonely_Raven's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,030
From: Wheaton, IL
Default

Actually I just spelled it out pretty plainly. If you get bent
out of shape because you're making a bigger issue of sub
wiring then it is, I'm sorry.

The cab and number of chambers has ZERO effect on how
you wire your setup if it's a mono setup.

With 4 voice coils, you have plenty of options as to how you
can wire them.

Parallel/Parallel
Series/Parallel
Parallel/Series
Series/Series

You can even to a cross pattern where one voice coil from
one physical speaker is connected to a voice coil from another.
No point in doing that of course, but it's completely possible.

In a mono setup, you just need to match your impedance
and wire it up. That was my only point. I didn’t mean to
pee in your cheerios.
Old 03-16-2005 | 04:32 PM
  #16  
dgHotLava's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member

SL Member
Team ScioNRG
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 5,274
From: Fortress of ScioNRG
Default

first off, you can loose the wall between speakers...
or you can drill a small hole to run the wire through and seal it up with dum dum or silicone...

with 2x 4ohm DVC you can have 1, 4, 16 ohm results
the 16 is not a good option...
so 1 or 4 ohms...
make sure your amp is 1 ohm stable...most are not...mono block just means one speaker output but at what ohm???
Old 03-16-2005 | 04:34 PM
  #17  
SCI_TC_GUY's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,435
From: Benton, IL
Default

find an amp that handles one ohm and go that route......if you have 2 speaker terminal cups on your box, then run one set of wire from the amp to one cup then to the next.....from the cup, run to both coils of its respective speaker.....almost all chambered boxes will have a speaker terminal cup per chamber....use them....
Old 03-16-2005 | 04:49 PM
  #18  
oneslowxa's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member

SL Member
Team ScioNRG
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 944
Default

Originally Posted by RanmaP

Thought about the 1 ohm load. But you know how the mfg say amp can do it but "technically" they can... but after 30 mins of use it gets too hot and shuts off.
=D we have a winner! This is correct many amps are one ohm stable... for how long is the question.... some 30 seconds some 45 minutes

1 ohm is almost a dead short and your car or your gear will not like it much... although it will be loud for the 3 second spurts for spl...

Many amps produce a decent amount of power when bridged at 4 ohms...
Old 03-16-2005 | 06:36 PM
  #19  
RanmaP's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 250
From: Reno, NV
Default Ok

Originally Posted by dgHotLava
first off, you can loose the wall between speakers...
or you can drill a small hole to run the wire through and seal it up with dum dum or silicone...

with 2x 4ohm DVC you can have 1, 4, 16 ohm results
the 16 is not a good option...
so 1 or 4 ohms...
make sure your amp is 1 ohm stable...most are not...mono block just means one speaker output but at what ohm???
It should be 1 ohm stable. Can range from 1.5 to 4 ohm

The amp has a total of 4 speaker output.
Old 03-16-2005 | 06:37 PM
  #20  
RanmaP's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 250
From: Reno, NV
Default Got it

Originally Posted by SCI_TC_GUY
find an amp that handles one ohm and go that route......if you have 2 speaker terminal cups on your box, then run one set of wire from the amp to one cup then to the next.....from the cup, run to both coils of its respective speaker.....almost all chambered boxes will have a speaker terminal cup per chamber....use them....
I think I see where your getting at... I'm going to try this.


Thanks




All times are GMT. The time now is 01:53 PM.