Thanks man. The tires I was running with the 5Zigen Inperios were 205/40/17. With the 17x7 +25mm setup, there is no rubbing issues period. And that's also being lowered appx 55mm (or 2.1").

Peace,
m@

 

I think most folks on here have been pretty civil.. I wouldn't even consider the negative comments as "hatin'" cuz I've seen worse! At least Scion folks are cool enough, and open-minded enough to sort of let go of things they don't agree with... unlike other car enthusiasts who are stubborn to the end, even if they're wrong from the start!

Anyway, for me personally, it's not a matter of trying to be USDM or JDM... I honestly don't care what country a particular "style" or look comes from, I just go with whatever I think looks good, and works well. In this case, it just so happens that the Japanese have done the most with these cars, but that's because that's where these cars come from! Of course if I were building up another old skool Mopar or something, I wouldn't do it like the Japanese, so it's the same way, in reverse, with the Scions. So the wide, flushed wheels, lowered stance look may be synonymous with JDM, but even if it came from Yogoslavia, I'd still think it looks good, and I'd still be doing things the "YDM" way!

Oh yah, you can adjust toe on a Scion using shims also. What I was ultimately intending on doing is determining how much-if any-toe correction is needed on a lowered (and perhaps cambered) Scion, and then machining the plates to add both camber, and bring toe out to 0 at the same time. If toe on a lowered (but non-cambered) Scion is bad, maybe I can make some toe-correction plates that will just correct the toe, without adding negative camber also. So there's still a little bit of R&D left to do, but since we're all sort of starting from scratch with these cars, a little patience is all that's needed!

Oh yah, speaking of spacers and shim, I believe that the ultimte solution to those of you who want to push your rear wheels out, will be to run spacer shims (with no camber noe toe adjustment built into them). With spacer shims you won't have to worry about balance issues, or swapping out to longer wheel studs, or finding hubcentricity. And that way you guys can run your same size/fitment front and rear wheels, and have that rear wheel just as flush to the rear fenderwell as the front is to its fenderwell. I'll keep you guys posted on this... gonna see whether it'll be better to have the pieces waterjet- or laser-cut... :)

 

Spacer fan here and I'll be waiting for your Spacer Shims. Just call me when it's ready and I'm so there on your door steps with my Box.

 

hells ya, if i can get my Mod7's flushed out perfect wiht those spacer shims, i'll be all over you for a custom set Van!

keep us posted!

 

van,

camber...blah-blah...toe...blah-blah...

...start working on us getting lower, please???

 

im interested in spacer shims, i would love my back wheels to poke out as far as my fronts do. wicked

 

Patience grass-hoppa.... patience... after the talk me and Opr8r had with Van last night, just be patient and see... one choice tid-bit, his roommate's xB was so low it f'ed up the rear support he had created.... damn...

 

I think that is awsome.... and it's cool that he's doing something different from everyone else in the states

 

the more i see the cambered look the more i like it. i have always like the way the bmw's looked with it. does this void warranty (cambered the way M@ has it)?

 

as i remember, they have to prove that leads the problem otherwise they cant void your warranty

 

Yeah.. I believe they have to prove that the reason for your problem is directly related to your modification(s).

Peace,
m@

 

Good, it looks like the haters left. There must be a rerun of The Fast and the Furious on.

Van, thanks for doing all this. I've been asking for rear toe correction for months now! If you need a test vehicle, let me know. I've got coilovers, so I can set it to whatever height you need.

Hopefully your coilover kit will have some form of adjusting front camber without removing the entire shock. The hole on the shock tower is too small for a good camber plate....like I've discovered with the Cuscos.

Keep up the good work!

 

iiiiiiiiiii want camber, and some coiloverssssssssss everybody sing!!!
come on van hook us up

 

I got the ATM card ready, just let me know where & when! No diggity...

So based on the thread, I'm waiting for the RedBox Lumpia delivery service to start. You can't bring lumpia up and not have any for the crew! :D Damn, I'm really hungry now...

 

I guess I don't get it......as far as for looks........it looks like your wheel is ready to fall off.

Sean

 

I have always thought that camber was a mistake but thanks to M@ and Van I am starting to appreciate it more. I see that all BMW's have rear camber (from what I can tell) even the ones riding on not so wide wheels. I'm even starting to think that somewhere down the line with my new wheels I might be more open to camber that had a more even tire wear like was mentioned here.

Thanks Van and Matt!

Van, do you think camber would be ok on wider stock wheels?

 

what do u meant by wider stock wheels?

 

how much for the adapters for the camber look. do you think it will look ok with wheels that have no lip. any pics would be helpful. thanks

 

Spacer shims for the rear!?! I'M IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Van, if you need a test vehicle, I drive at least 160 miles a day. Good thing I'm getting 30 mpg floating along at 80 mph w/ gas prices over $2/gal now!

 

In my opinion, it's more about the wheel width/offset than the lip. For example, when I was temporarily running my 5Zigen Inperios in the rear (17x7 +25mm offset) it didn't look right because the top of the wheels were "sunken" into the fender. If you've seen any of the japanese VIP cars or wagons with -camber, you'll notice that 95% of the time, the top of the wheel is flush with the fender. One other thing to note is that in some cases, -camber will actually allow you to fit a wider wheel!

With the test fitting that Van and I have done, we've learned that wheels between 8" and 9" wide start getting you in the "ballpark" as far as getting your rear wheels out closer to the fender, not forgetting that some of this also depends on offset. (BTW... Anything below 20mm is pretty rad)

Regarding the lipless wheels: Of course it's all a matter of taste, but I've seen some cars/wagons with -camber and lipless wheels that looked pretty cool!

Peace,
m@