being outpowered is a bastard when you are a better driver than the guy who pulls on you in the straights. i go to the track too. most people who can not get far enough away in the straights or can not shake me in the turns let me pass, but there is always that one guy who refuses to let anyone pass despite his obvious inability to drive. i guess that that is part of the ineptitude :/

i had to intimidate some guy in a delorean to let me pass. some other guy in a miata never took the hint from anybody, even the vettes.

how do you like the brake pads, brake lines, and braces?

performance springs go a long way. nobody can bad mouth them. i recently bought coilovers to get a little bit more, but if i did not have the extra cash, then the springs would have stayed without a complaint.

have fun.

 

The brakes on this car are by far the best ive had on any. All you need is SS lines, good pads and brakes fluid and it stops on on a dime. Just make sure they are nicely bled and you will out break many other cars. Since our cars dont go so fast, we can brake later than others and they are excellent so you can go even deeper, if you have the guts. But yeah, this car has surprised even the owner.

 

Love the set up!!! Great pics!

 

Well, considering you both entered the hairpin wrong and I don't know what speed you were actually going I would have to say I am not too impressed. On the other hand I have found that my xB handles very well all things considered, but certainly not on the same level as a WRX. So I suppose it is possible the xA handles well, but you will never take that WRX. Just my .02

 

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thread crapping is the best!!!1

jsosa was not saying how he is the pwningest driver or anything, but how the car handles well and that he was doing better than someone in an sti.
it does not matter how good the car is if the driver sucks. either that sti driver sucked hairy nuts or the suspension was crappy.
i have performed better than people in far superior cars because their abilities were sub par.

as for the line, it does look a little off to me, but i can't get the whole story from those pictures. even so, i would still need to drive it.

jsosa, have you noticed any heat fade?
i have been surprised by the stock brakes so far. they have held up pretty well braking from 100 mph down to 20, but that was the only point of really hard braking in a 2-3 mile course.

 

Your absolutely right, i will never take that WRX, hes just too fast, but as for Solo 1 driving, the next time around i was ahead because he got blue flagged and was forced to let me by. The whole point of this thread was too show people that out scions can handle and that if you want to build a track racer it will be very much worth your time.

If i wanted classes on how to drive i would ask my driving instructor, but for now i guess your opinions are worthless... Thread crapping is fun, so if you want to keep it up lets do it! If anyone has any other worthy question, let me know i have no problem helping other out.

As for the heat fade on the brakes it is virtually unnoticeable because the longest straight gets me too 85MPH and then down to 25, but the rest of the track is very quick because i barely have to use my brakes. The brakes for now are fine but ill be upgrading to these new 6 piston brakes that fit inside 16" rims. Very expensive, but i think they will do the job without having a 14" rotor in front with a tiny drum in the rear, i don't want that kind of unbalanced look.

 

I have to admit that my driving leaves a lot to desired as well......Because my driving was so weak, I bought a couple of the "Speed Secrets" series of books. Wow, are these books detailed and enlightening. Great for the novice and pro.

 

Wow, ok, I guess you can take it like that. I wasnt trying to bash you necessarily, but rather to point out your post was conditional. If the point you were trying to make is that he was blue flagged thus showing you were "faster" then you should have just said that. However, when you start posting pics of poor corner or hairpin execution, that is entirely different. You mentioned classes to learn how to drive......have you taken any? If not, then YOUR findings here are worthless. How can you intelligently rate the performance of a vehicle if you dont know what you are talking about?

Ok, so you were faster, so what? Does that mean your xA was better then the WRX? Maybe, but it could also mean the other guy was less experianced than you. So at the end of the day what exactly have you proven?

Oh wait a minute, your point was that scions can handle.......wow I am enlightened. Fact of the matter is if you put the right combination of accessories together a KIA can "handle" well.

 

^^^ Look he got personal and offended, incredible how such a simple post about my day at the track turns into a bashing, i love this $H!T. But anyways man dont loose sleep about this, you just wanted to hate on someone so you did, congratulations, now if we can get back on point.

MY CAR HANDLES!! and thats the end of it.

What ever negativity you want to throw my way makes no difference to this thread, so at the end of the day everything stays the same...

Now for everyone else that wants to get motivated in upgrading their scion to a track racer can do it, thats all i wanted to point out. SCIONS CAN HANDLE!!

 

All you need are a few lessons, I've taken exactly one driving school in my life, but that one class really teaches you alot about braking points, turn in points, apex and track out. Essential in circuit racing. Down here in Puerto Rico the BMW Car Club of America gives driving schools and thats who's training me, their pricey but very worth it. Do it, its fun!!

 

My bad, I missed that.......it all makes sense now
Oh and just so we are clear, your post didn't offend me as a person but as a driver. those expensive lessons you talked about are going to be a lot cheaper than the repair bill when you put your "racer" into the wall so i would suggest you take a few more.

good luck buddy

 

Thanks my friend its been a pleasure to have shared this beautiful moment with you... By the way I was born and raised in Miami, so i'm not that different from you... But being unique is what sets me apart, besides wheres your racing history??

 

1996-2003 SCCA - Spec Racer Ford
2003-2005 SCCA - Formula SCCA (Van Diemen)
2005-2007 SCCA - Grand-AM Mazda RX-8

To drive well takes years of experiance and I can say without reservation that I am far from perfect, far far from it. However, I do seem to have a bit more experiance than you thus you can see how it is insulting to hear you to say things like.....all you need are a few lessons......and "my car handles"

I think it is great for people to want to race. It is fun as hell but the basics have to be there before you can start making credible statements.

 

true that, true that. I now know that your a person that talks when they now what they're talking about, not like others out there that talk without knowing. I respect your skills and i wish i could have that kind of experience, but I'm not in it for the profession I'm in it to have ALOT of fun. So if you wanna be technical about it, go ahead. But all you really need to have fun during track days are a few lessons, that way you dont crash your "racer" in the wall, with a car that "handles". So my message does come from credible statements.

Its just recently that i moved up to cars, my passion started off on the karting track and eventually grew into what it is today. Im sorry if i insulted you in any way, but racing is racing no matter how good you are at it.

 

all bashing and offenses aside, this thread reminds of the technical differences amongst drivers.

most people go for cars with power or like to pretend that their cars have power, so drivers tend to drive like their cars have power regardkess of whether it does. last summer at the track, i had a bunch of different teachers. most of them said to follow a traditional line in the chicane, but one teacher, who drives a cooper s, told me to drive a far different line. the two other teachers were all "WTF, mate" when i told them about it. my class room teacher quickly dismissed it saying that there was no way that line could be any good because you would get on the gas kater thereby losing acceleration time. my other in car teacher was skeptical but he said to show him both the traditional and the cooper s line, which i did. he watched my speeds at different points to compare the two lines. he said that i was coming out the same or better on the cooper s line as the traditional high horsepower line.

so i talked with the cooper s teacher again. he said that he takes that line in the low power and light weight cars because it allows them to keep speed longer and lose less speed. the heavier and more powerful cars would probably lose out on that line.

the other thing about that line was that, had passing been allowed, i could have passed far superior cars. then they would have taken me when the chicane gave way to the nascar track, but that;s beside the point.

another time, a different teacher had me stay high in the nascar bowl rather than go down in the more traditional line. he watched the speedometer at different points and said that by staying high, my low power car was able to keep more speed and come out faster than it would going low like the high power cars.

there is no universally perfect line, except straight, but straight is no fun.
personally, i would have to drive the course in a similar car before i started pointing out line issues.

 

^^^^ Thank you, at least someone on this forum has their mind opened. I hate it when people are closed minded and think they are better than everyone else because they have experience. Even though experience is the mother of good track driving, its also good too keep your mind opened too rookies and different driving lines. Im not even going to start with about how JGTC drivers race because that lines is VERY VERY different from what you and me are used. Its all about very late braking, passing the braking and turning point, but when you do turn in you hit that apex and track out like a bat out of hell.

I really cant say whos right or wrong, but i need more practice, considering that was the first time i was ever on a track with my car, i did pretty decently.

 

Jsosa... are you referring to the Mini BBK from JBT Motorsports? I was looking into that as well. I just can't justify the retail price of $1200 for a couple of rotors and calipers. No matter how nice they are. At least not for a daily driver.

 

^^ all of the brake kits that i have seen have been pretty expensive too. i have been satisfied with the brakes so far, so i feel like more than $500 invested in the brakes is a waste for me. i want to get slotted rotors, nice pads, and steel braided lines, but i need to research brakes more.

 

RTon.. those are exactly the brakes ive been talking about. $1200, for a set of brakes is an incredibly expensive price to pay, but they must work really well.

I have everything i can possibly do the my OEM brakes and i have absolutely no complaint about them, but i wish they had more bite. If you stomp on the brake you will reduce your speed in a very significant way, but i still feel like their lacking in the initial bite.

Im willing to spend the $1200 on brakes as long as i so much, touch the brake pedal those rear wheels want to lift off the ground from all the front braking pressure. I want my scion to flip over itself when i get on the brakes. I love the positive brake feel and for me its one of the most important parts on the car. If i ever do get a round to purchasing them, i will be posting it up on scionlife. Hopefully by march they will be in.

 

ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mmmmmmmmmmmyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ggggggggggggggggooooooooooooooooooodddddddddddddddddddddd they are beautiful
Just to know, does anyone have ever seen the project mu mini bbk???

this is an example from the ones greddy make