Im working on getting my end links right now. Is there anything that fits for the sway bar bushings from ES?

 

Just did this mod without ramps or jackstands. Its tight but doable. As everyone noted the handling is alot different for a 20 dollar mod, a must do mod for all xa/xb owners...

 

i've ha these in my room for 5 months now, im so lazy, gotta do this. just need grease

 

I was browsing a ES site and for the sway bar bushings there are 2 kinds the greasable and non greasable. I want the non greasable ones but for the 25mm bar there are 2 different ones. It has to do with the measurment of the spacing of the bolts. Part # 95129 has the spacing measured at 2 1/16" to 2 7/8". Part # 95110 has the spacing measured at 2 9/16" to 3 5/8". Which one is the correct one?

http://www.energysuspensionparts.com...20Bushings.asp

 

So does this do any good if you do not have a aftermarket front strut bar?

 

most of us have done this mod with great results using the stock oem front bar.

 

Read my post seven posts prior to yours. BTW conclude means to end, include is probably what you meant.
Ever ride in a car with a good coliover set up? The suspension absorbs the bumps but yet is still firm, the car responds well, my car feels like I have a mild coilover set up now. After the install I can tell the shocks are the only parts of the suspension absorbing the bumps, not the stock rubber bushings the suspension came with. Before the bushings, the car was harsh, bouncy, responded well but could be better. Now the car handles well, it responds great, the ride is actually better over bumpy roads, body roll is greatly reduced, and I have a lot more control of the car. Make sense now? I seriously recomend this set up for anyone with an aftermarket suspension set up. Really makes a huge difference, more than my Progress sway bar.

I don't know, My strut bar was one of the first mods I did to my car. If you're going to buy the bushing kit might as well fork over a few more bucks and get a strut bar while youre at it.

 

i just did mine and wow, it a real difference,

i find myself turning the wheel too far because of the quickened steering. anyone else have this effect.

i put a locking nut on each one, but i am always afraid it will come apart, whenever i do anything, i tightened it to where i couldnt anymore. so hopefully they stay.

it was kinda difficult with just stands, because i am too big to fit under mine, (lowered) and when jacked, there was too much pressure

so i ended up taking both wheels off and doing one side at a time, and jacking up the control arm. this was a great $15 mod, even with having to buy grease, lol

 

I just ordered the end links and the bushings.

 

I found the bushings to be pretty easy but the links were a bastard. A lot of prying and a little hammering but they are in there and it feels great. I cant wait to get back out on the autox course again.

 

These are alot of wild claims for just end link bushings. They will make your front sway bar work alot better due to the lack of deflection from the rubber bushings, that's about it.

Making your front bar work better will increase the amount of understeer your car has and there-for make it handle worse, since these cars are prone to understeer. It will also keep the car more level in the front in hard turns, which may make it feel better.

You have to get the rear sway bay stiffer to really have some fun. The front chassis brace is also a huge improvement.

Has anyone just bought the urethane and not the kit? I am talking just the bushings. You should be able to replace just those and use the stock bolt.

I wonder how delrin would work instead of urethane, for both the sway bar bushings and the end links. Has anyone used them like this before?

 

Read the title to the topic. Its a known fact that the bushings are the main reason why you want to change out the endlinks, usualy the bolts and washers are there to acomodate the bushings.

Making your front sway bar will not necessarily increase understeer, it will increase steering response, and therefore make it handle better. You are right about the car being more level in turns. Just my $0.02

 

and if you have soft / stockish springs... and toyota camber bolts for about 1 - 2* or negative... more front bar stiffness can lead to better cornering as it will help keep te outside tire from losing camber as quickly under compression, in our Mac-Strut cars...

 

It will also make the inside tire un-weight more and force the outside tire to work harder, causing more under-steer.

Changing the caster will help alot more than the camber.

 

You should look into the fast SCCA stock class car setups on mac-strut cars with soft springs...

Agreed that caster is good... but you NEED static -ive camber... and a front bar will help preserve the camber is you load it up...

Ideally... you'd lower the car, ball-joint extenders, longer control arms... stiff springs, adj. camber / caster, etc...

But for a soft sprung car... a slightly stiffer front sway... won't kill the car... and with enough -ive... can be a good thing.

 

If I'm not mistaken you would want the outside wheel to work harder, isn't that why they make LSD's. So with an LSD my inside wheel spins less hard and my outside wheel spins harder. Considering the outside wheel has a bigger area to cover. (Think inside and outside diamater of a circle, the inside measurement would be a lot less than the outside) Sorry bro, but everything you say goes against everything I've learned from my brakes suspsnsion classes, my research and my expirence in the automitive aftermarket world. Once again, just my $0.02

 

Does anyone actually drive their cars to the limit to test it out for sure?

I know when I push my car it does understeer. When I get off the throttle the back end of the car comes around.

Your classes may have taught you everything, but what I say I have done. I have been driving hard for quite some time. I built and tuned my last car, where there is little to no aftermarket. I also drove the living crap out of it.

 

I autox with my box so once I get back out and do it again il let you know how much it helped.

 

ok people i just installed the bushing kit last night i have to say its the best performance mod for the $15 my suspension is stock other than the bushings and they made a big difference installation can get tricky

heres a pic of oem and the energy bushings



heres a pic of them installed

i know it looks funny but thats only cuz the car is on jacks but i ensure you its installed correctly

energy bushing kit $11.99
2 - 4'' grade 8 bolts $1.78
2 - grade 8 lock nuts $.78
moding the box for under $15 priceless

 

you didn't use jack stands thats very dangerous you know. your next small investment should be in at least 1 pair so you can work more safely. otherwise looks good.