Got the PM and it looks like I am going to have a working vacation. :D Looks like there is going to be another vegas meet in November.

 

Thanks Gabe!!

For everything!! :D

 

 

No problem, I am here to help. :D

 

i love that picture... -4.5

 

i love that picture too.

 

Now I don't know a lot about Tein and their damping rates of their shocks. But be careful about installing stiffer springs on a "basic" system. Shocks may not hold up as well.

 

They've been working fine w/ my Wagons. I talked to a TEIN tech/engineer at length before I settled on my new springs and spring rates.

 

I'M IN

 

hahaJoey,

Is that your box??

What size lip do those Eurolines have.... just wondering....lol


Thanks! :D

 

yeah tahts my box. i dont have big lips..
just have whatever sized lips..
i jsut run spacers and shims and get them flush..

 

hahajoey..that is looking good. im interested in camber more now. OTG here i come

 

OTG is what i recommend

 

Jim, you wondered:They are pretty surely the same shocks as used in the Super Street, only lacking the adjustable restriction in the main circuit. Hmmm... I will ask them to be sure though. Thanks, Reid


Mighty fine, mighty fine looking... and you're funny, too. GREAT picture!

to drifters: I wonder how much neg camber I need in front. Experience and my own taste will tell in time. OTG rear camber is -3 and this makes the rear really steer around a sharp turn. There's not so much understeer as before. If I camber the front wheels heavily too I may be into this mode (neat quote):

Indeed, 'possums! Indeed! said Dame Edna, victim of way too much Demon Camber
in "her" own tuning

just having fun now.

Well, Joey, so do I. For you, a lame verse
about camber steering past the outer limits






I hadda B wit' camber ,
so cool and looking super tucked.
But when I steered too quick one day
it oversteered. Oh crap! I'm ----ed!




















?
I hope so

 

You're a funny one Scifly! HAHHA!

 

LOL

 

for sure the added negative camber didn't improve
my steering, cornering or anything.
in fact it limited it(in my opinion).

but considering we drive econoboxes
that are bascially echo's with a diff shell..
i dont think anyone should be "handling all crazy"
anyways.

 

oh yeah. when i used to corner, it handled a lot better.
i do however, prefer the look/stance of the added camber.
if i can have it "any" way i want, i would probably go
1.5 degree's less. i think its a bit much.

 

Hi Joey. Ah, but I may see now why you hold forth that the rear camber did not aid your cornering.
I suspect, and reason below that too much camber fails to plant the tire a proper footprint on cornering.

For instance, I suspect on my own car that 3 degrees is probably more than is really needed to plant the rear tire flat on hard cornering, even with a lot of body roll.

For illustration of the concept, jack up the opposite side of the cambered car (I have done this) and look at the verticality of the cambered rear wheel on opposite side.
I think it would be ideal if that tire became quite perfectly verticle on moderately hard cornering.
This would require either knowing our body roll quotient, or more ideally, limiting body roll by suspension stiffness -and then- dialing in rear camber (front, too, if wanted) for maximally flat tire footprint for that condition.

I -think- this setup might give the best, most neutral cornering.

We must consider too that when a cambered tire, -which is toed out by necessity of tread life considerations- is made to run vertical, then it's toe-out becomes an added steering force.
In the purer example of cambered rear, the toe out will become an important tendency towards swinging the rear out, as into an oversteer characteristic.
Joey, if your cambered rear does not have this toe-out (if i say) and IF your camber is much in excess of the body roll characteristic (it is), then there you are proved to your actual experience: it did not aid your cornering. It's a fine look, though. Slickly sick for sure.

There's much for me to learn about steering geometry and this n.c. characteristic. At this early point in my learning all I can do is observe my own car, listen to others and look at the thin record regarding "Demon Camber".

---


As you see now the humor several spaces above has a point:
-to reinforce the hard info.
-to make instructional thoughts amusing.
-to encourage the man -with all the camber- to let out his own vision of "the rest of the story". Thank you for that, man..

with a smile and wishing fun for all,
Reid

 

Understeer frightens the driver
Oversteer frightens the passengers