Tomas

OK, the 5870s will probably allow you to go a bit lower. The 5870s are not only shorter, but normal installation of them removes that big rubber bump stop at the top of the shock shaft.

They're fairly cheap and easy, so would be worth a try.

Tomas

TheScionChef

thanks Thomas i appricate it you are like the tech guru of all i just wanted a gurus opinion on what actual part number so that i do not get the wrong ones.


again

RTon20s

Thomas is right. Several people have used the 5870 Monroe shocks to get additional drop in the rear on bagged xBs.

There are other shocks from them that have been used, and other recommendations that have been made if you feel like searching.

xA_Factor

I didn't realize you were asking if you could gain more suspension travel with shorter shocks. I thought it was another "which rear Monore shocks lower me more?" question.

My bad.

TheScionChef

no worries xa factor its my fault for not making it clear enough i guess ... but thanks for the info guys

Skorpion

Anyone running:

Progress Sway
OTG Shims
Monroe Rears
DF210

W/18 rims?

A lot of bottoming out?

Omega145

Im wondering where is everyone getting the Monroe 5987's?
I called Sears and a few other places and they couldnt locate them by that part number or by make/model.

Tomas

See the answer in the other topic where you posted the same question... https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...070744#2070744

Tomas

bB2NER

Here is something I just got. Monroe is having a rebate thing.
http://www.northernautoparts.com/?ut...m_medium=email

ihatemyxa

if you think about it, the force from the spring can infact push the stem up a little more if the suspension is loose

lilmanguts

Ok im kinda confused bout all the threads about the 5870's and the 5987's.

If your on OEM springs use the 5987's?
if your on lowered springs use the 5870's?

Some say that you only use 5870's if your lowered 2"+ and some say if you are lowered 1"-2". So which is which?

I'm running on Tanabe NF210 on stock struts/shocks. There is a lot of clanking on the front right side every time a pass a bump. Im considering of replacing everything with Monroes. Now, Which would be the best set up for me?

burstaneurysm

Use the 5987 if you're dropped up to 1.5"
Anything more and go with the 5870s.

Tomas

And the correct Monroe/NAPA/Tenneco (all the same) front strut for the xB Classic is the 72245...

lilmanguts

Thank you Burst.. and Tomas for the infos. Keep it up and GOD BLESS!

lilmanguts

Hey Tom and Burst..

Follow up question. is there any reason why 5987's and not 5601's? Monroes website recommended the 5601's. Please explain. Thank you.

Jonathan

Tomas

When the 5987s were first recommended Tenneco had not yet come out with ANY shocks for the Scion xB Classic.

The 5987 is intended for the Toyota Echo sedan (same suspension/drivetrain), and as such is slightly softer in it's control of suspension movement.

For extreme "sport" driving they are not the first choice, but for more normal driving in everyday use the combination of slightly softer control AND the variable damping offered by the "Sensatrac" design give a MUCH improved ride.

The 5601s are a little stiffer that the 5987s, and while still being Sensatrac, and offering the variable damping for improved ride in normal circumstances, they are a bit more brutal in very large suspension movements.

With the 5601s, the ride is improved with no loss in control during more "extreme" driving.

For my driving style, the Sensatrac 5987 shocks in the rear and (soon) the Sensatrac 72245 struts in the front should be "perfect."

For someone with a more "sporting" style, the 5601s and 72245s would probably be better.

For someone actually rallying or racing a box, much more serious suspension is needed, rather than components intended for the street.

Hope that helps! :D

lilmanguts

Thank you again for the swift and helpful reply Tom..

Since, i like comfort for my 40 mile one-way every day commute to work. I'll probably get the 5987's and the 72245's.

i hope it makes a difference since im on 18" and 35 series tires and the road feel is much harsher. I am even considering changing to 17" and 45 series setup. but i'll try the struts and shocks first.

Thanks again for the info.

bB2NER

Trust me Tomas when I say "it will be". I have that combo with Tein H techs and couldn't be more happy with the ride quality.

lilmanguts, It will help some but with those 18's it will still be sort of rough. Some 215/40/17's would be great.

layedoutxa

Are Gabriel shocks the same as Monroe? If not, are they equally as good as the Monroes? Because the autozone website lists this:

Gabriel Ultra / Shock/Strut - Rear
For your 2002 Toyota Echo 1.5L EFI DOHC 4cyl

thanks

Tomas

Gabriel's are likely "as good" as the ones made by Tenneco (Monroe/NAPA) but the shocks we are discussing are their "Sensatrac" shocks with a patented "variable rate" valving that depends on where in it's range of movement the shock piston is.

If the piston is in the "normal" range for an at-rest car, plus or minus a couple of inches, the valving is quite soft to let the suspension absorb all those little shocks from cracks, tar strips, small rocks, etc.

If the shock move OUT of that narrow range of motion, the valving stiffens up and the damping increases to give better control.

I don't believe the Gabriel 69450 shocks have that feature. I'm pretty sure they are just ordinary shocks...