evosky

how about compared with a TRD rear sway bar ? i would assume that TRD would know pretty well how to do a correct setup ... but then that's still assuming >_<

hayalex6

TRD sway bar = Progress sway bar. Other than the TRD being red, there are no differences.

Here are pics of my whiteline sway bar installed.

bB2NER

Great pics hayalex6!!! Oh and Happy B'Day too!

Me so happy cause my Whiteline bar gets here on Monday. Plus I got the last one the factory had in stock. Lucky me. Ha Ha

Bsbox

How much does the Whiteline weigh?
Nice pics, thanks

BrianxB

Weight of the bar? Probably 2lbs? I wouldnt worry about the weight compared to how well it improves handling.

bB2NER

UPS said it's 17 lbs on my invoice.

evosky

haha 17 pounds. that's most likely all the packaging and crap. looks like a quality piece...

maybe i'll get it next summer, spent too much already this summer >_<

hayalex6

no. the packaging weighs 5lbs at MOST.

The bar is solid, and heavy. I dropped it on my toe, and it hurt like a muthafuka.

DevilsSi1481

im curious but would the whiteline sway bar work together with the progress? because it looks like they would both be able to fit on the car at the same time.

hayalex6

I was wondering the same thing when I put my Whiteline on.

I'll see if I can borrow my friends progress and fit it.

DevilsSi1481

yeah cause ive installed a progress sway bar twice so i know it goes under that bar that the whiteline connects to and offhand from visuals it looks like it will so im also wondering what kinda affects that would have.

hayalex6

very very stiff rear end.

DevilsSi1481

Oversteer in a front wheel drive car is fun! haha but yeah let me know if u wind up trying that setup out.

bB2NER

just got my whiteline bar. Its weight was 18 lbs. and the bar is really heavy .. came in a double box for strength.

bB2NER

Magic man 808 already tried to fit both bars and it doesnt work .. the mounting brackets for the whiteline interfere with where the progress bar runs.

Jhhnn

Both designs accomplish the same purpose, to stiffen the torsion beam, transferring force from one side of the car to the other. Neither one actually attaches to the unibody, at all.

While the Whiteline may offer some slight improvement over the Progress in competition scenarios, that remains unproven, merely asserted by some as true. If Motor Trend mounted one bar and then the other on the same car and pronounced a winner, I'd tend to believe them...

The Whiteline has its own disadvantages, which are quite real- it's obviously more difficult to install, and it has bushings that will ultimately wear out... Not to mention nearly impossible to obtain...

As for using both bars together, it seems to me that at some point the whole idea of semi-independent rear suspension would be negated by too much stiffness in the torsion beam, causing it to act more like a straight axle...

brambling

That's true plus the torsion beam is already stiffened once with the inner factory swaybar. As it was originally designed for the Echo it had no inner swaybar.

Although the factory swaybar doesn't seem to attach to the end of the torsion beam like the Whiteline, Progress/TRD and Hotchkiss, just in the straight part across.

For those thinking you would be "doubling up" with a Whiteline + Progress, you really would be tripling up.

bBoxed_In

if you're planning to double or triple up on sway bars you might as well consider a roll cage already. a well designed cage will definitely stiffen things up.

now honestly... who's willing to go that far w/ their xB/xA?? (sorry, show cars don't count )

bB2NER

It uses polyurethane bushings when properly lubed should last for a LONG time because there isn't much movement like there would be if the bar was mounted to the frame then the axle. It sits stationary most of the time and moves with the axle.

nnnickkk

so whiteline>progress?