Ok, ill bite... Mines kitted up, but the kit is on the ground already. The rears actually sit the inner wheelhouse on top of the tire. The ONLY way i can get lower is to cut (somemore) out the wheelhouse. When i did my flares i already cut and pulled the quatrers and wheelhouse some to fit my wheels with the 20mm spacer. ill show ya pics with my normal wheels, and with steelies.




I love randys box... And im not tryin to hate or throw stones... just answering the call.

 

why did you make the flares that go over and cover the wheels like that ?

 

Not hatin' Mike but... Kits don't count.

If you were to park yours and Randy's xB side by side you would definitely see the difference.

 

Umm... its called bubble flares.

And ive already concieded to Randy (on myspace) about him being lower... I know kits make it easier to get low. But Im no cop-out. Ive cut/pulled/rewelded/fabricated and otherwise to get mine as low as it is. Its not body dropped, like Randy's. But im just representing the ones who arent affraid to hack some steel to achive what they want. I also know that Rton isnt scared to hack some stuff up either!

If it aint scrape'n, Your Fake'n!

 

Just a clarification... Randy isn't body dropped. He's cut up, and clearanced to heck, but not "body dropped."

 

By the way... a total jerk was once noted for saying...

"You don't build a suspension around a car. You build a car around the suspension."

Or something to that effect. If someone has some super sleuthing internet skills, they might just be able to find the egotistical ***** that said that. I mean... besides me just now.

 

i'm uni-body dropped.

 

I hate that term. And I still won't let you get away with that.

When you raise the floor, I will. Not until then. For now, you just get the honors of lowest bagged xB. I think.

 

yeh randode your box is king you lowered the bar to a level to which no one can but in a good way your my idol

 

i never said anything about you trying to say you were lower or even mention you comparing yourself or car to randy's . i was just expressing that i think your bubble flares are weird and i don't like them. and they don't particularly look like steel from the build pics . or were those just templates?

that is all. no hating just stating opinions. and in no way did i say or connote that u were a "cop-out"

 

Im wonderin what else to call Randy's mod, aside from Body dropped, or Uni-body dropped. I always taken Body drop to mean any structural changes to the frame/frame mounts... I would think thats really the only way to define it. It is difficult to use a term made for full frame cars on unibody cars... But i think the term fits.


I also know that not everyone likes Bubble Flares. Its a style most often seen in the VW world. Ive always liked the look, and i thought it would contrast the sharp lines of the "Box". Plz have your opinions. This is my Box and i love it. And i did all the work. And thats all that matters. And thats not even the topic... so i digress.


The only way someones gonna beat Randy, is to be "body dropped" (for lack of a better term), Chopped, or be stuck in a ditch. I think were all fans of the work hes done. Mad props for being the first personaly owned xB to do so. (and no i dont think that shop car in mini-truckin counts)

 

Mikeys box RULES. The bubble flares can be misleading in pics. In person I like them alot more.

Im no master at mini truckin terms but body drop to me always meant that the floor stays the same but the body goes down. I guess thats the easiest way to put it.

 

ok some words from Rod and Custom Magazine......


Vintage Channel Jobs - Body Drop or Lower that Car
The Ultimate Nostalgia Styling Trick

By Tim Bernsau
Photography: Tim Bernsau

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“The point of this discourse is to warn you of the tribulations which await the overeager channeler. But if there seems no logical solution to getting your rod/custom down where you want it, then R&C stands ready to pass along the nearly forgotten word on channeling.”

That’s what we had to say in the Dec. ’57 story “Channeling—The Great Height Equalizer.” Back then we deemed that channeling had come back into vogue not just as a cheap way to lower a car without altering the suspension, but as a way to get even lower after you’d upgraded to the latest suspension-lowering components. A channeled rod is about as cool as it gets, yesterday and today.

What’s channeling ? It’s the process of removing the floor from the car, lowering the body down over the frame, and reattaching the floor at a higher level relative to the body. These days, the sport truck crowd calls it a “body drop.” It’s simple and fairly common on a Model A, but totally nightmarish on a full-fendered car. Few guys today have the gumption to really whack their gennie tin to the extent required for a channel job on a full-fendered car, so we decided to present this story using the original photography as Valley Custom shop cut a ’40 Ford back in 1957. It shows just how they really did it back in the heyday—and, if you’re all about commitment to stance, how you could do it now.


another source of info...

CHANNELING
Dropping and remounting the body over the frame rails by cutting the floor and body/frame mounting points away from the body. The floor remains stock height and metal is added to cover the vertical difference created by the drop.

Channel (to): To lower a car body by cutting out the floor and dropping the body down over the frame rails.


Section (to): To lower a car body by cutting a horizontal strip out of the sheetmetal all the way around and then rewelding the remated surfaces.

 

i agree....pictures do not do justice to his car. if you ask people on the east coast that have seen his car at shows, they will tell you...the flares are insanely hot. Mikeys got one sexy box ....but to each his own. btw, randode ur car is sick

 

In today's world the term "body drop" is actually far more convoluted than the simple explanation R&C provided. Here are some of the many terms floating around today...

Traditional Channeling - Building a channel in the floor to allow the frame to sit up higher into the body.

Traditional body drops - Raising the entire floor, etc. to set the body down further relative to the frame.

"Body Dropless Chassis" - A term coined by the now defunct KRZ Customs in Fresno, CA. This is fabricating a new, shorter, boxed frame to replace the traditional, taller C-shaped frame. This can also be done by only fabricating a portion of the frame. The body is left in tact for the most part except for clearancing usually required for things like the transmission and rear axle.

"Bodyless Body Drop" - Essentially the same thing as listed above, except the term is used by more of the industry. Both of these methods offer the opportunity to employ really trick chassis modifications. This includes things like mandrel bent frame rails, suspension geometry changes, and suspension component swaps.

Unibody Drop - This one is a bit more tricky. And some guys might even consider some of the stuff Randy did with his xB in this category. Fact is, some of it is, but not completely. Essentially this can be done by relocating all suspension components and pick up points higher into the vehicles chassis. Randy half way did this with the relocating of his upper strut mounts. This can also be done by raising the floor and suspension of a unibody car up relative to the body panels visible from the exterior. Great care must be taken here (which often isn't) because the thin sheet metal you are cutting through is actually structural.

Hybrid Body Drop - I guess this is my term, considering I just made it up. This is where you incorporate two or more of these methods in order to achieve the desired drop. You will often see this sort of thing on vehicles where the builder wants to be excessively low. The most common combination is fabricating a new frame (or portions of said frame) and doing a more traditional body drop on top of it.

There is a lot more information out there. But this should about cover the basics. If anyone has anything they would like to add, I'd love to hear it.

 

Once again Rton, like in your many air-suspension related posts, i bow to your wisdom.

And Ty Brian and Kristin for the luv

 

The "Velvet box 'O' Lub" is definitely unique, low, and cool as hell. I love it, funny flares and all.

That being said, what do you see when you open the gas door, gas filler? Randy's lower.

 

when i open my gas door, i see tire.

 

is the filler tube still there?

 

no