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Old 10-23-2005 | 10:47 PM
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i'm gonna wind up doing a clutch test on my car if it is then i'll bring it in under warranty and make the phone call. see what happens hopefully i can get the upgraded trd clutch.
Old 10-29-2005 | 08:54 PM
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Anyone have any luck with TRD or Exedy? I want 0 slippage with factory horsepwer/torque...
Old 10-29-2005 | 09:02 PM
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Alright, you drive an xA, not a Ferrari. Drive it like the econo-car it is and your clutch will last forever. The people that are complaining that there clutch is slipping at 15,000 miles are the same ones that complain about their terrible gas mileage. Well, stop driving your car like an a$$ and you won't have any engine problems and your gas mileage will improve. This is just common sense people...
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Old 10-29-2005 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by OooThatsSharp
Alright, you drive an xA, not a Ferrari. Drive it like the econo-car it is and your clutch will last forever. The people that are complaining that there clutch is slipping at 15,000 miles are the same ones that complain about their terrible gas mileage. Well, stop driving your car like an a$$ and you won't have any engine problems and your gas mileage will improve. This is just common sense people...
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Old 10-30-2005 | 12:05 AM
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Or drive it like an A$$ and deal with the consequences, that's what I do
Old 10-31-2005 | 01:56 PM
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I agree with the driving style comments. However I acknowledge that my driving habits require upgraded equipment in order for the vehicle to keep up with me, thus I am looking for advice in locating said upgraded equipment from those who may have already tried and experienced some of the various options on the market.

I don't shift at or over 6K every time, but if the need were to come about, or if I decide to rev match a downshift and hold it at or above 4500 RPM in a lower gear while negotiating certain secluded/deserted freeway on/off ramps then I would like to know that the car is ready to take it.

Most of us know that we initially bought econoboxes. Some of us would like to improve on those econoboxes in order to brighten up our daily grind of a commnute.

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To the mods, sorry for the unintentional "shift" typo...
Old 11-01-2005 | 03:55 PM
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yeah just cause its not powerful doesn't mean it still can't compete i own a paseo and saw the same thing happen with those. scion has a little bit better hold of the market though right now. if things work out for an xa you never know with the yaris coming it could bring some great parts with it. i'm not making my car a drag car i'm looking at making it handle much better and doing some shows. i like performance with function too but hey can't have everything all at once.
Old 11-02-2005 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OooThatsSharp
Alright, you drive an xA, not a Ferrari. Drive it like the econo-car it is and your clutch will last forever. The people that are complaining that there clutch is slipping at 15,000 miles are the same ones that complain about their terrible gas mileage. Well, stop driving your car like an a$$ and you won't have any engine problems
There are lots of us who drive gently and still have a slipping clutch. I think it's a batch of clutches that are slightly out of spec.

My clutch started slipping after 4 months and 5000 miles. When I'm on the highway in 5th gear going about 60 mph, if I step on the gas to accelerate to 70 mph (still in 5th gear, foot off the clutch pedal), the RPMs go up past 3000, but the MPHs don't. It doesn't happen all the time, but it gets much worse in the winter. Cold temperatures contract the metal, and that causes more slippage.

I took it to the dealer this past spring. They could not duplicate the problem. I'm waiting for sub-freezing weather to take it back. This time I'm riding or driving with the tech so I make sure they see it. Plus I'll go to a dealer that has a better reputation.

I've owned 12 cars with stick shift, ranging from brand new to 18 years old, and none of them ever had a clutch that slipped like my xA.
Old 11-03-2005 | 11:08 AM
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what it is is a weak pressure plate.
couple that with a heaver scion (compared to the echo it was designed for )
power adders ( as soon as i had headers , exhaust , and intake , now it's horrible with the addition of the lightweight pulley )
and scions "peppier" gears....

WEAK>.....

trd clutch kit is oem clutch disc with a heavier duty pressure plate......
Old 11-03-2005 | 04:09 PM
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to diagnose clutch slipage start the engine shift into a high gear and slowly release the clutch pedal. the engine should stall immediately as the clutch is applied.

Note: if the engine keeps running, the clutch is slipping.

thats how to diganose clutch slippage from my manual transmission lab i'm a toyota technical education student thats how they told us to do a test for slipping. try that see what happens.
Old 11-03-2005 | 07:31 PM
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yeah start in 3rd. 3rd should be able to slip a bit good clutch or not. but if you can start rolling while in 3rd it's dead....
Old 11-23-2005 | 12:53 AM
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Mine has 20K miles on it and it is slipping. I agree that this is not normal. I look at the clutch as a switch. You engage it smooth but somewhat fast and then accelerate. Just like a lot of other here I have drove many sticks over the years. I towed a boat with a few Escorts (1200 Lbs) and never had an issue like this.

These are stock vehicles and the clutch should be able to handle it. I think it is either a bad batch or they saved money by using the same setup as the Echo and it can not handle the load. The Echo is less weight and cuts the wind better. Look at the difference in the MPG. The drive train has to work harder here.
Old 11-23-2005 | 01:37 AM
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I periodically check for a slipping clutch using the same method dexter_5000 stated. I go to an abandoned parking lot. I make sure the e-brake is on. Shift into 5th gear and let out the clutch. I've stalled every time. Yay for me.

I'm at almost 28k miles and I haven't noticed my clutch slipping at all. *knocks on wood* I've ran at the 1/4 track quite a few times and have driven on windy roads in a "spirited manner" at late hours of the night. Also, engine braking is second nature to me. *shrug*
Old 11-23-2005 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by OooThatsSharp
Alright, you drive an xA, not a Ferrari. Drive it like the econo-car it is and your clutch will last forever. The people that are complaining that there clutch is slipping at 15,000 miles are the same ones that complain about their terrible gas mileage. Well, stop driving your car like an a$$ and you won't have any engine problems and your gas mileage will improve. This is just common sense people...
why dont you stop acting like an a$$ just because it's not a Ferarri or a sports car doesnt mean you cant grab you're nuts and do a little hard driving...and umm...I don't think I see any complaing or whining here either...just people stating that their clutches have gone already. Sorry, some of us here like driving hard, and if you think we are a$$es because of you can f*ck off. To everyone else I apologize...it post like these that just set me off when people go around saying this and that and calling everyone doing or being a certain thing, things like a$$.

Back to the post...I'm looking into an Exedy clutch myself...anyone have opinions?
Old 11-23-2005 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mikochu
I periodically check for a slipping clutch using the same method dexter_5000 stated. I go to an abandoned parking lot. I make sure the e-brake is on. Shift into 5th gear and let out the clutch. I've stalled every time. Yay for me.

I'm at almost 28k miles and I haven't noticed my clutch slipping at all. *knocks on wood* I've ran at the 1/4 track quite a few times and have driven on windy roads in a "spirited manner" at late hours of the night. Also, engine braking is second nature to me. *shrug*
miko...... not 5th gear. 3rd gear without the e brake..... if your car didnt stall yer clutch would be COMPLETELY gone using yer method.
Old 11-23-2005 | 08:01 AM
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Okay, I'll try that next time.
Old 11-23-2005 | 08:09 AM
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the tc trd clutch doesn't slip.
Old 11-23-2005 | 10:51 AM
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the xb trd doesnt slip . the stock xb/xa clutch does
Old 11-24-2005 | 07:30 PM
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looks like it might be trd for me... anyone tackle this install themselves yet?



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