punxnotdead

I was just at the official scion site and went to look at the specs. The site is now saying 103hp/101 tourqe for both the xA and xB. What is the deal with this?

yo!tokyo

muahahahahahahahaha!!!!

lost1nceaga1n

another reason not to like the '06

hayalex6

Toyota is now using SAE horsepower ratings. Check out this article: http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosins...A01-283759.htm

lost1nceaga1n

lol... forgot 'bout that

Miss_Mica

heh! i stumped a sales guy by making reference to the 05 v 06 HP. . . hes like . . . "its all the same"!!! (rolls eyes!!i cant stand car sales guys who DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!)

UnFocused

well it is all the same, It even says on scions website that the engine is the same- just the way they test HP has changed. Honda and Toyota both are retesting thier engines.... the 05' RSX-S was 210 HP, now the 06' has 201 HP. The 3.0 V6 Camry went from 210 HP to 190........

Tomas

Yeah, they can't use better gas than they recommend to the public, can't super-tune the engines, and can't run 'em with none of the 'normal' driven components like alternator and such attached to get the numbers for advertising..

xA/xB "lost" 5HP in numbers only - same engines, same performance. (One that surprises me is the 3.0 Camry - 20HP difference? That hurts the advertising... )

UnFocused

Yeah, My moms 02 camry' V6 ran a 16.2 stock. And my friends 3.5SE Altima with "250" HP ran a 15.9.....

So go figure 60 HP difference and .3 difference in the 1/4?!?!

chucksu

I think he was going into more detail ie: The new Front bumper / head lights / tail lights / rear bumper / mirrors / painted side skirts etc... So if a sales man was thinking there is no diff between a 05 & 06, I would go some where else

Keitaro

bHP ratings are for buyers.
wHP ratings are for drivers.
Drivers wanted...wait thats a VDub ad. The xA/B ratings as posted on SL seems to hover around 95wHP. So it's not that bad.

BTW, 2005 Avalon "280bHP," 2006 Avalon "268bHP." So Toyota was force to use regular fuel with the new ratings although the Avalon is required to drink Premium? Someone needs to dyno an Avalon.

jwa276

haha... my 92 camry (a 5spd 3L) ran a 15.4 stock... that car could haul some ___ even in stock form! 185hp stock in 92, and just 190 in 06? just doesnt seem right mr toyota...

granted the 3vzfe in the 92's owed it all to its super beefy low end... god that motor had some torque.

toyota/scion could really make it a whole other ballgame for the xA/xB market if they would release a 1nzge :D but it will never happen...

-jon

UnFocused

Are you referring to me as "mr toyota"

Toyota's own website lists the 06 3.0L camry as 190 HP......do you think I make this stuff up?

xActly

Yeah man....something else I found interesting...the xA manual says "use 89 octane (research 91)"

It then goes on to say that the car may ping a bit, and it's normal.


Yeah, ummm, eff you Toyota.

10.5:1 compression.

Toyota admits that running 89 octane will result in pinging...and I guarantee you that if it DOES ping, the only thing stopping it after a couple pings is the knock sensor & ECU retarding the timing.

I'll run 93, thanks. I highly recommend everyone else does too.

Tomas

No, they were not required to use regular, they were required to use what the tell their customers to use in their owner's manuals. They were just not allowed to use 'super premium,' 'racing fuel.' or 'avgas' in their engines and advance the timing to take advantage of the higher octane fuels.

The other major change required the engines to have the normal belt driven devices and loads actuallty attached and driven by the engine as they would be when installed in the vehicle instead of stripping off the alternator, power steering, and other devices that might take a few horses.

The new HP ratings are closer to what a real-life, factory stock, showroom fresh engine might produce when actually installed in a vehicle and fed it's recommended fuel.

No drive belts, 115 octane avgas and radical timing advances can gain a few horses and foot/pounds on a dyno for the ads...but Joe Public's car will never see them.

emiller

Nope it just means you test it with what you recommend. It also added in a modified dyno correction factor. You also had to have the fluids filled to the correct level with the correct oil type. So if the manual says 5 quarts of 10-30 oil and run on premium gas thats what they have to test with. Before they may have used a thinner oil to reduce friction and high octane gas and slightly different tuning. Just less variables so you can get more accurate results.

jwa276

no no no! im sorry i was just saying mr toyota as in toyota corporation. no hard feelings, i totally believe you about the numbers posted! i was just being like wtf, why isnt toyota trying very hard to compete with the performance of other manufacturers... still though at a time like this when gas is about to exceed $3/gallon, id be much more up for a car that pushes the 30mpg limit on both city and highway roads. however its always nice to have a real performance option (which toyotas pretty much lacking right now imo)... still i flat out wont ever consider buying a car thats not made by "mr toyota" :D haha

my parents own a red '00 solara v6 5spd, and a black 99 shortcab tacoma 4cyl 5spd with the trd big wheel/tire package and trd suspension. ive owned that camry v6 5spd (which was a hoss ) and now im driving the scion around wishing i had 3L instead of 1.5L

-jon

UnFocused

Ok, I understand now.....

Yeah, I wonder if the 06' 3.0L with 190 will hurt camry's sales? but like I said look at 1/4 mile times. the Nissan Altima (250 HP, not sure if its the new SAE) and the once 210 HP camry (now 190 SAE) - the Camry runs a quarter mile time within .3-.4 seconds of its 60 HP counterpart.....

But look at our 1.5L- a stock 5spd xB runs 16.9's.......which isnt fast by anymeans, but if you look at civic, focus, neon, Ion, ect- they all have 20-40 more HP than the xB but still run simular times as us.

xA/xB are about 100-400 pounds lighter then the others, so that helps..............

EExA

Uh I run pump 87, no ping, no problem. I never bothered with manuals.

xActly

Your car pings...you just don't hear it because your ECU is backing off on the timing, resulting is less power & worse mileage.

Congratulations.