How many of you have tested your xB's Air Conditioning temp?
#24
At 98 degrees about a month ago my AC was 41 at the vent. Still didnt feel cold enough to me but it was in the spec range. The problem is that the new refigerant doesnt get as cold as the R12. R12 can get as cold as low to mid 30's.
Acceptable limits for the Scion AC is 41-47.
Acceptable limits for the Scion AC is 41-47.
#25
Wrong.
Here it is AGAIN:
It is NOT one simple set of temp limits (41-47) but a range of limits dependent on inlet temp and relative humidity PER THE SCION REPAIR MANUALS.
Other numbers and other ways of testing do not prove anything, and certainly do not prove the A/C is or is not working within Toyota specs...they are a waste of time and energy.
Want to see it direct from the manual?
OK.
Here it is:
A/C On Vehicle Inspection
(That's a PDF of the manual section for the BASIC A/C tests...)
Enjoy.
Here it is AGAIN:
Originally Posted by George
BTW, there is no single "magic temperature" for the AC to be "within spec" The repair manual test specifies the following:
(Repair Manual, page 55-4)
1. Cowl Inlet temperature (that's OAT) must be between 25C and 30C (That's 77F to 86F)
2. The technician must determine relative humidity by using a wet/dry bulb thermometer at the air inlet and consulting a psychrometric chart. Relative humidity must be between 30% and 70%
3. The vehicle must be stopped, in the shade, the door fully open, the AC switch on, engine at 2000RPM, inlet switch to outside air, outlet switch to face outlets only, temperature on max cold, blower on high, and high side pressure gauge at 1.5MPa.
4. The correct difference between the inlet and outlet temperatures is found by consulting another chart in the manual:
At 30% relative humidity, the difference between inlet and outlet temperature should be 19.5C to 25C. (35.1-45F)
At 40% relative humidity, the difference between inlet and outlet temperature should be 18C to 22,5C. (32.4-40.5F)-
At 50% relative humidity, the difference between inlet and outlet temperature should be 16C to 21.5C. (28.8-38.7F)
At 60% relative humidity, the difference between inlet and outlet temperature should be 14C to 19.5C. (25.2-35.1F)
At 70% relative humidity, the difference between inlet and outlet temperature should be 12C to 18C. (21.6-32.4F)
So, let's say that it's 80 degrees outside and the humidity is 40% The temperature difference is 32.4-40.5F, so the AC is OK if the outlet temperature is somewhere between 39.5F and 47.6F.
As you can see, the system cannot even be tested unless the outside temperature is between 77F and 86F. One also wonders if there are any Toyota technicians outside of Japan who can actually perform the psychrometric determination of relative humidity _and_ who have the equipment and motivation to do so.
(Repair Manual, page 55-4)
1. Cowl Inlet temperature (that's OAT) must be between 25C and 30C (That's 77F to 86F)
2. The technician must determine relative humidity by using a wet/dry bulb thermometer at the air inlet and consulting a psychrometric chart. Relative humidity must be between 30% and 70%
3. The vehicle must be stopped, in the shade, the door fully open, the AC switch on, engine at 2000RPM, inlet switch to outside air, outlet switch to face outlets only, temperature on max cold, blower on high, and high side pressure gauge at 1.5MPa.
4. The correct difference between the inlet and outlet temperatures is found by consulting another chart in the manual:
At 30% relative humidity, the difference between inlet and outlet temperature should be 19.5C to 25C. (35.1-45F)
At 40% relative humidity, the difference between inlet and outlet temperature should be 18C to 22,5C. (32.4-40.5F)-
At 50% relative humidity, the difference between inlet and outlet temperature should be 16C to 21.5C. (28.8-38.7F)
At 60% relative humidity, the difference between inlet and outlet temperature should be 14C to 19.5C. (25.2-35.1F)
At 70% relative humidity, the difference between inlet and outlet temperature should be 12C to 18C. (21.6-32.4F)
So, let's say that it's 80 degrees outside and the humidity is 40% The temperature difference is 32.4-40.5F, so the AC is OK if the outlet temperature is somewhere between 39.5F and 47.6F.
As you can see, the system cannot even be tested unless the outside temperature is between 77F and 86F. One also wonders if there are any Toyota technicians outside of Japan who can actually perform the psychrometric determination of relative humidity _and_ who have the equipment and motivation to do so.
Other numbers and other ways of testing do not prove anything, and certainly do not prove the A/C is or is not working within Toyota specs...they are a waste of time and energy.
Want to see it direct from the manual?
OK.
Here it is:
A/C On Vehicle Inspection
(That's a PDF of the manual section for the BASIC A/C tests...)
Enjoy.
#27
I'll trust the written test procedure and charts from Toyota before I'll trust a random tech at a local dealer - I've had 'random tech' tell me that 'blue light' when the engine is cold is a problem... :D
#28
this is all too confusing to me!
i say if it feels cold then its working. I live in the desert area and it gets to 120 degrees. we have a dry heat not so much humid and hell when its that hot nothing works.
i say if it feels cold then its working. I live in the desert area and it gets to 120 degrees. we have a dry heat not so much humid and hell when its that hot nothing works.
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