Removal of airbox snorkle-BIG MPG! UPDATE 4.0!
#21
Originally Posted by JDMJim
my point is, your gonna suck up a lot more debris into the intake box resulting a more frequent filter replacement. I mean, S/L is all about cheap mods I know. but this would or could cost more money over the long run. Already we're getting how great it sounds over how the mileage is going up. I would rather try a larger diameter pipe.
As I posted last night on another "mileage" post:
Originally Posted by BoxOffice
I don't know about any "cons". My first concern in even considering ripping it off was the possibility of maybe getting water up in there, since the opening left in the airbox is facing straight forward with no protection. After eyeballing it a bit, I really don't think that's going to be much of a problem (it would take a pretty determined splash of water to get up there), and to be honest, in SoCal that's not much of a concern anyway.
As far as "pros" - MAN what an MPG boost! I'm still blown away.
As far as "pros" - MAN what an MPG boost! I'm still blown away.
#26
Originally Posted by BoxOffice
To make things even more interesting, I just got my first "over 400" tank last night!
406 miles @ 37.42 mpg!
406 miles @ 37.42 mpg!
406 miles! that's impressive, here's another for you
to take the snorkel off, you unscrew the bit holding the snorkel to the airbox?
#27
Interesting MPG test. Its not a box, but then again its not exactly aerodynamic either, so I think there is some relevance:
http://www.omninerd.com/2006/07/16/articles/57
http://www.omninerd.com/2006/07/16/articles/57
#29
To make things even more interesting, I just got my first "over 400" tank last night!
406 miles @ 37.42 mpg!
406 miles @ 37.42 mpg!
keep us posted BoxOff.
#30
Excellent link, Heathen. :D Facts and figures instead of 'seat-of-the-pants' guesses. (This is also one reason that simply hooking up a ScanGuage II in my box has given me a 7-10% increase in MPG - I pay better attention to what I'm asking the engine to do.)
Snowromance, there is one additional thing that is NOT shown by just quoting the "Coefficient of drag" of the shape moving through air, and that is the effect of the frontal area.
To make it a simple example, imagine an xB then imagine an xB twice as large. The one twice as large will have four times the frontal area and the actual energy required to punch that size hole in the air is greater.
So, with a drag coefficient figure one also needs to consider the frontal area of the vehicle. For example, the xB has a better Cd than a New Beetle (Kamm effect), but I believe the New Beetle has a considerably lower frontal area - it might take less power (fuel) to punch bugs size holes in the air than box size holes...
If someone finds the drag coefficient AND the frontal area combined to show actual drag for a large list of vehicles, I'd love to see that.
All I've spotted so far is some "example" lists like this:
Tom
Snowromance, there is one additional thing that is NOT shown by just quoting the "Coefficient of drag" of the shape moving through air, and that is the effect of the frontal area.
To make it a simple example, imagine an xB then imagine an xB twice as large. The one twice as large will have four times the frontal area and the actual energy required to punch that size hole in the air is greater.
So, with a drag coefficient figure one also needs to consider the frontal area of the vehicle. For example, the xB has a better Cd than a New Beetle (Kamm effect), but I believe the New Beetle has a considerably lower frontal area - it might take less power (fuel) to punch bugs size holes in the air than box size holes...
If someone finds the drag coefficient AND the frontal area combined to show actual drag for a large list of vehicles, I'd love to see that.
All I've spotted so far is some "example" lists like this:
Tom
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Tomas, this would be a nice place to show that xB going through the air diagram. The one showing the airflow over it and such. I always get a nice giggle out of that pic.
#32
Originally Posted by joanthegreat
to take the snorkel off, you unscrew the bit holding the snorkel to the airbox?
Good luck!
#34
This is/was a common mod on older watercooled VWs too. The older VWs had some of the fuel injection components mounted over the air cleaner, so a CAI wasn't possible. The only alternative until recently was to open up the air filter box. Helped power on my car, butt dyno anyways.
Oak, where did you find the Blitz unit. I looked at their website and it looks interesting. Similar to a Eurosport part for the older VWs. Also looks like it allows for a larger filter for even more airflow, right??
Oak, where did you find the Blitz unit. I looked at their website and it looks interesting. Similar to a Eurosport part for the older VWs. Also looks like it allows for a larger filter for even more airflow, right??
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Originally Posted by Fran82
Oak, where did you find the Blitz unit. I looked at their website and it looks interesting. Similar to a Eurosport part for the older VWs. Also looks like it allows for a larger filter for even more airflow, right??
#38
Originally Posted by bB2NER
Originally Posted by Fran82
Oak, where did you find the Blitz unit. I looked at their website and it looks interesting. Similar to a Eurosport part for the older VWs. Also looks like it allows for a larger filter for even more airflow, right??
Besides, I just like the look of that system better than typical CAIs.
#40
Just to expand on Tomas' entry, here are a few more Cd numbers, these calculated with the inclusion of the frontal area formula:
Drag area ( Cd x Ft2)
* 5.76 - 1968 Toyota 2000GT
* 5.92 - 1994 Porsche 911 Speedster
* 5.88 - 1990 Nissan 240SX
* 6.24 - 2004 Toyota Prius
* 6.27 - 1986 Porsche 911 Carrera
* 6.57 - 1985 Chevrolet Corvette
* 6.77 - 1995 BMW M3
* 6.79 - 1993 Corolla DX
* 6.96 - 1988 Porsche 944 S
* 7.02 - 1992 BMW 325I
* 7.10 - Saab 900
* 7.48 - 1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
* 7.57 - 1992 Toyota Camry
* 8.70 - 1990 Volvo 740 Turbo
* 8.71 - 1991 Buick LeSabre Limited
* 9.54 - 1992 Chevy Caprice Wagon
* 10.7 - 1992 Chevrolet S-10 Blazer
* 26.3 - Hummer H2
Unfortunately, I haven't found the frontal area info for the xB as yet. If anybody's got it, please let me know.
Drag area ( Cd x Ft2)
* 5.76 - 1968 Toyota 2000GT
* 5.92 - 1994 Porsche 911 Speedster
* 5.88 - 1990 Nissan 240SX
* 6.24 - 2004 Toyota Prius
* 6.27 - 1986 Porsche 911 Carrera
* 6.57 - 1985 Chevrolet Corvette
* 6.77 - 1995 BMW M3
* 6.79 - 1993 Corolla DX
* 6.96 - 1988 Porsche 944 S
* 7.02 - 1992 BMW 325I
* 7.10 - Saab 900
* 7.48 - 1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
* 7.57 - 1992 Toyota Camry
* 8.70 - 1990 Volvo 740 Turbo
* 8.71 - 1991 Buick LeSabre Limited
* 9.54 - 1992 Chevy Caprice Wagon
* 10.7 - 1992 Chevrolet S-10 Blazer
* 26.3 - Hummer H2
Unfortunately, I haven't found the frontal area info for the xB as yet. If anybody's got it, please let me know.