Top ten things I DONT like about the xB
11-03-2005, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tmanion
I have an 06 and it has an interior dome light, so I don't have a problem with that. However, I agree with the sheet metal issue; the fuel tank door is paper thin (not that it really matters but it makes you wonder about the rest of the panels). Also, the ride is bouncy on anything less than smooth asphalt. Another issue I have is that I wish the wheel would telescope but I understand not including it on a car at this price point.
mikem53 if you want more stopping power just buy some after market brake pads (and stainless steel lines if that's not enough) nice z06, check out the new one
Regardless of the problems, this is a phenomenal car for the money; would you rather drive a PT Cruiser?
mikem53 if you want more stopping power just buy some after market brake pads (and stainless steel lines if that's not enough) nice z06, check out the new one
Regardless of the problems, this is a phenomenal car for the money; would you rather drive a PT Cruiser?
SS brake lines don't help on the street.... it helps when you constantly use your brakes and the fluid heats up causing the rubber to expand which gives you fade. this happens with heavy track use and is not a problem with me on the Scion... I just hate working on drum brakes... when changing pads on disc is so easy.... dru brakes also dont do as well with ABS... I haven't had to try that yet.. will do so this winter..... should be interesting... Thanks for the comment on the Z...
No... I don't like the PT cruiser..... much rather have the box
11-03-2005, 02:41 PM
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Newbie with major complaint here!!
I bought my XB in July of this year, I loved it! I like the ride, I like the gas mileage, I liked the looks I get, I liked the fact that people always asked me about it and I could brag on it!!
BUT....... 3 days ago my AC quite working completely! I took it into the service department at the dealership, and was told that my warranty WOULD NOT cover this! They stated road debris flew through the grill and punctured my condenser, to the tune of $1000.00 for the part alone I would have to replace it!
Well number 1 the condenser is wide open to road hazzard as there is nothing between it and road debris but the grill.
So needless to say, I have been on the phone with Scion because lord knows Im not going to replace something that costs that much, when I could drive off the lot and it could happen again, and then there goes another $1000.00 in a car that is only 4 months old!
There answer to me was well we can fix it so this doesn't happen again!!!! Then why wasn't it fixed in the 1st place so I wouldn't have to fork out $1000.
Well they will get there answer from me as I have hired and attorney, and intend to follow this through until they pay for this! I mean the dealership told me that the condenser is $1000 I called around and everywhere quoted me about $300-$400. When I told the dealership this they actually had the nerve to tell me if I put parts on it other than official Scion parts I would void my warranty!!! Well is my warranty worth anything anyway?
Just wanted to vent and also inform the XB owners how vulnerable your AC condenser is!
Am I wrong in my anger?
BUT....... 3 days ago my AC quite working completely! I took it into the service department at the dealership, and was told that my warranty WOULD NOT cover this! They stated road debris flew through the grill and punctured my condenser, to the tune of $1000.00 for the part alone I would have to replace it!
Well number 1 the condenser is wide open to road hazzard as there is nothing between it and road debris but the grill.
So needless to say, I have been on the phone with Scion because lord knows Im not going to replace something that costs that much, when I could drive off the lot and it could happen again, and then there goes another $1000.00 in a car that is only 4 months old!
There answer to me was well we can fix it so this doesn't happen again!!!! Then why wasn't it fixed in the 1st place so I wouldn't have to fork out $1000.
Well they will get there answer from me as I have hired and attorney, and intend to follow this through until they pay for this! I mean the dealership told me that the condenser is $1000 I called around and everywhere quoted me about $300-$400. When I told the dealership this they actually had the nerve to tell me if I put parts on it other than official Scion parts I would void my warranty!!! Well is my warranty worth anything anyway?
Just wanted to vent and also inform the XB owners how vulnerable your AC condenser is!
Am I wrong in my anger?
11-03-2005, 03:20 PM
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Re: Newbie with major complaint here!!
Originally Posted by schweikhard1
I bought my XB in July of this year, I loved it! I like the ride, I like the gas mileage, I liked the looks I get, I liked the fact that people always asked me about it and I could brag on it!!
BUT....... 3 days ago my AC quite working completely! I took it into the service department at the dealership, and was told that my warranty WOULD NOT cover this! They stated road debris flew through the grill and punctured my condenser, to the tune of $1000.00 for the part alone I would have to replace it!
Well number 1 the condenser is wide open to road hazzard as there is nothing between it and road debris but the grill.
So needless to say, I have been on the phone with Scion because lord knows Im not going to replace something that costs that much, when I could drive off the lot and it could happen again, and then there goes another $1000.00 in a car that is only 4 months old!
There answer to me was well we can fix it so this doesn't happen again!!!! Then why wasn't it fixed in the 1st place so I wouldn't have to fork out $1000.
Well they will get there answer from me as I have hired and attorney, and intend to follow this through until they pay for this! I mean the dealership told me that the condenser is $1000 I called around and everywhere quoted me about $300-$400. When I told the dealership this they actually had the nerve to tell me if I put parts on it other than official Scion parts I would void my warranty!!! Well is my warranty worth anything anyway?
Just wanted to vent and also inform the XB owners how vulnerable your AC condenser is!
Am I wrong in my anger?
BUT....... 3 days ago my AC quite working completely! I took it into the service department at the dealership, and was told that my warranty WOULD NOT cover this! They stated road debris flew through the grill and punctured my condenser, to the tune of $1000.00 for the part alone I would have to replace it!
Well number 1 the condenser is wide open to road hazzard as there is nothing between it and road debris but the grill.
So needless to say, I have been on the phone with Scion because lord knows Im not going to replace something that costs that much, when I could drive off the lot and it could happen again, and then there goes another $1000.00 in a car that is only 4 months old!
There answer to me was well we can fix it so this doesn't happen again!!!! Then why wasn't it fixed in the 1st place so I wouldn't have to fork out $1000.
Well they will get there answer from me as I have hired and attorney, and intend to follow this through until they pay for this! I mean the dealership told me that the condenser is $1000 I called around and everywhere quoted me about $300-$400. When I told the dealership this they actually had the nerve to tell me if I put parts on it other than official Scion parts I would void my warranty!!! Well is my warranty worth anything anyway?
Just wanted to vent and also inform the XB owners how vulnerable your AC condenser is!
Am I wrong in my anger?
11-03-2005, 04:30 PM
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I tried that and I got "unfortunatly we can't help you". My point is why should I drive a car that after 3 months cost me $1000 and I could leave and it could happen again, and cost me another $1000. Equipment that important should be better protected.
11-03-2005, 04:54 PM
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sorry
Originally Posted by schweikhard1
Oh yeah and I work for a law firm so it costs me nothing.
11-03-2005, 06:09 PM
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Anyone who is complaining about power, noise, poor brakes and such, needs to wake the hell up. Find a car that is about 20 years old and is a POS on its last leg. Drive that car for a couple years. Then you will appreciate how incredibly nice the xB really is. I'm so pleased with the xB, it might as well be a Bentley.
11-03-2005, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by schweikhard1
I tried that and I got "unfortunatly we can't help you". My point is why should I drive a car that after 3 months cost me $1000 and I could leave and it could happen again, and cost me another $1000. Equipment that important should be better protected.
11-03-2005, 06:50 PM
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1 too slow. , doesnt respond well at all to mods... i knew it wasnt a speed demon but i figured it'd respond to mods liek a honduh does but NOPE
2 cheap horrible paint
3 ac is pretty damned weak
4 they're becoming the newest ricer mobile
5 gas mileage is hard to keep consistent whether it's high or low... my best mpg runs lately have been on a 180 mile roadtrip with an average speed of 90 believe that.....
6 honduh forkers laughing..
7 worst clutch ever.... toyota didnt realize with quicker gearing , more weight and a more enthusiast based demographic that theyre cheap echo carryover parts wouldnt hold up.... nothing like a 800+ dollar clutch job to see that it doesnt happen again... hell my clutch started slipping at 5000 MILES!!!!
8 theyre starting to get REALLY played out.... and without having more than 10k in one it will never win a show at all. let alone just street cred
9 umm....overpriced parts since it's new...
10 it's WRONG WHEEL DRIVE
2 cheap horrible paint
3 ac is pretty damned weak
4 they're becoming the newest ricer mobile
5 gas mileage is hard to keep consistent whether it's high or low... my best mpg runs lately have been on a 180 mile roadtrip with an average speed of 90 believe that.....
6 honduh forkers laughing..
7 worst clutch ever.... toyota didnt realize with quicker gearing , more weight and a more enthusiast based demographic that theyre cheap echo carryover parts wouldnt hold up.... nothing like a 800+ dollar clutch job to see that it doesnt happen again... hell my clutch started slipping at 5000 MILES!!!!
8 theyre starting to get REALLY played out.... and without having more than 10k in one it will never win a show at all. let alone just street cred
9 umm....overpriced parts since it's new...
10 it's WRONG WHEEL DRIVE
11-03-2005, 06:55 PM
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1- Power... I would gladly give up a mpg or two for more useable power. Power to merge, climb hills are nice to have
2- Thin sheet metal... Looking hard at the box can cause a dent.. Since the panels are tall, they should be beefier... just push on a panel and see for yourself... not too hard though..
3- Interior lighting... Are they having a bulb shortage in Japan? You can't see poop at night.. especially on the drivers side. The cruise control is also worthless in the dark.
4- Noisey.. Too much engine drone.. I like mechanical sounds... but the xB has some ugly sounds entering the cabin.. They could have used more insulation in the firewall area and made it a nicer place to be.
5- Weak AC... It works.. but can take forever to cool things down on a warm day... The weakest AC of any car around. The fix doesn't help much either.
6- Bouncy ride.. seems like they could have made the rear less stiff. The ride is good for the most part.. but they could have engineered a less stiff ride and still maintained good handling... My Z06 rides better and its very stiff.
7- Cheap butt plastic dip stick.. Why not provide a metal stick that won't warp, harden and break with time.
8- Drum brakes.. Geeezz.. I thought these things went the way of the Dodo bird along with carburators and vapor lock..
9- Paint.. It looks good... but it doesn't hold up very well... its like it doesn't stick good.. A floating piece of styrofoam will cause it chip..
I know the new paints are water based... but I don't have these issues with my other cars..
10- People asking me when do the Klowns come out....
My opinions:
1 Power- Lacking, but adequate for an economy car. If ya think the box has good power, come to Germany and drive it at 80-85 for 3 hours and see how you feel then..hehe.
2- Thin sheet metal- Aren't all cars this way these days? I know my 2000 Dakota R/T TRUCK was.
3 Interior Lighting - A must fix.
4 Noisy - Yeah, I;m buying some sound deadening and fix that too.
5 Weak AC - Came to Germany from TX and yes the A/C wasn't enough in TX, but fine for Germany.
6 Bouncy Ride - Front is Bad Rear is worse...welcome Eibach springs into that situation soon!
7 Cheap Butt Plastic Dip Stick - Wife had a Nissan Sentra and Aunt had a toyota Corolla both with plastic dipsticks that broke off. Need some metal in there.
8 Drum Brakes - Braking is OK, upgrade the front to slotted/Cross drilled life will be good.
9 Paint - Not good....5 rock chips, less than 10K miles.
2- Thin sheet metal... Looking hard at the box can cause a dent.. Since the panels are tall, they should be beefier... just push on a panel and see for yourself... not too hard though..
3- Interior lighting... Are they having a bulb shortage in Japan? You can't see poop at night.. especially on the drivers side. The cruise control is also worthless in the dark.
4- Noisey.. Too much engine drone.. I like mechanical sounds... but the xB has some ugly sounds entering the cabin.. They could have used more insulation in the firewall area and made it a nicer place to be.
5- Weak AC... It works.. but can take forever to cool things down on a warm day... The weakest AC of any car around. The fix doesn't help much either.
6- Bouncy ride.. seems like they could have made the rear less stiff. The ride is good for the most part.. but they could have engineered a less stiff ride and still maintained good handling... My Z06 rides better and its very stiff.
7- Cheap butt plastic dip stick.. Why not provide a metal stick that won't warp, harden and break with time.
8- Drum brakes.. Geeezz.. I thought these things went the way of the Dodo bird along with carburators and vapor lock..
9- Paint.. It looks good... but it doesn't hold up very well... its like it doesn't stick good.. A floating piece of styrofoam will cause it chip..
I know the new paints are water based... but I don't have these issues with my other cars..
10- People asking me when do the Klowns come out....
My opinions:
1 Power- Lacking, but adequate for an economy car. If ya think the box has good power, come to Germany and drive it at 80-85 for 3 hours and see how you feel then..hehe.
2- Thin sheet metal- Aren't all cars this way these days? I know my 2000 Dakota R/T TRUCK was.
3 Interior Lighting - A must fix.
4 Noisy - Yeah, I;m buying some sound deadening and fix that too.
5 Weak AC - Came to Germany from TX and yes the A/C wasn't enough in TX, but fine for Germany.
6 Bouncy Ride - Front is Bad Rear is worse...welcome Eibach springs into that situation soon!
7 Cheap Butt Plastic Dip Stick - Wife had a Nissan Sentra and Aunt had a toyota Corolla both with plastic dipsticks that broke off. Need some metal in there.
8 Drum Brakes - Braking is OK, upgrade the front to slotted/Cross drilled life will be good.
9 Paint - Not good....5 rock chips, less than 10K miles.
11-03-2005, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 4est
Anyone who is complaining about power, noise, poor brakes and such, needs to wake the hell up. Find a car that is about 20 years old and is a POS on its last leg. Drive that car for a couple years. Then you will appreciate how incredibly nice the xB really is. I'm so pleased with the xB, it might as well be a Bentley.
I didnt buy a 20 year old car... I bought a new xB. I do like the car but it does lack some basic features that would make it even better.
11-03-2005, 07:11 PM
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We have a xA and a xB. I love them both. The only thing I've noticed about the xB, is when you shut the doors, it sounds very tinny and cheap compared to when I shut the door to my xA. The xA has a much more solid sounding "Thunk".
11-03-2005, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hotbox05
1 too slow. , doesnt respond well at all to mods... i knew it wasnt a speed demon but i figured it'd respond to mods liek a honduh does but NOPE
2 cheap horrible paint
3 ac is pretty damned weak
4 they're becoming the newest ricer mobile
5 gas mileage is hard to keep consistent whether it's high or low... my best mpg runs lately have been on a 180 mile roadtrip with an average speed of 90 believe that.....
6 honduh forkers laughing..
7 worst clutch ever.... toyota didnt realize with quicker gearing , more weight and a more enthusiast based demographic that theyre cheap echo carryover parts wouldnt hold up.... nothing like a 800+ dollar clutch job to see that it doesnt happen again... hell my clutch started slipping at 5000 MILES!!!!
8 theyre starting to get REALLY played out.... and without having more than 10k in one it will never win a show at all. let alone just street cred
9 umm....overpriced parts since it's new...
10 it's WRONG WHEEL DRIVE
2 cheap horrible paint
3 ac is pretty damned weak
4 they're becoming the newest ricer mobile
5 gas mileage is hard to keep consistent whether it's high or low... my best mpg runs lately have been on a 180 mile roadtrip with an average speed of 90 believe that.....
6 honduh forkers laughing..
7 worst clutch ever.... toyota didnt realize with quicker gearing , more weight and a more enthusiast based demographic that theyre cheap echo carryover parts wouldnt hold up.... nothing like a 800+ dollar clutch job to see that it doesnt happen again... hell my clutch started slipping at 5000 MILES!!!!
8 theyre starting to get REALLY played out.... and without having more than 10k in one it will never win a show at all. let alone just street cred
9 umm....overpriced parts since it's new...
10 it's WRONG WHEEL DRIVE
11-03-2005, 07:17 PM
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erase the hate
trust me folks, there are alot worse cars for the money. I think I test drove alot of them. find me another car for around 14,500 with all these power options. Traction control, abs and stability control. You won't. I think instead of hate we should say dislike. Most cars can be improved apon. fix, all those problems you hate and the car would cost you double. Enjoy it for what it is, not what it isn't.
11-03-2005, 07:21 PM
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Re: erase the hate
Originally Posted by svt_to_xb
trust me folks, there are alot worse cars for the money. I think I test drove alot of them. find me another car for around 14,500 with all these power options. Traction control, abs and stability control. You won't. I think instead of hate we should say dislike. Most cars can be improved apon. fix, all those problems you hate and the car would cost you double. Enjoy it for what it is, not what it isn't.
11-03-2005, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by hotbox05
1 too slow. , doesnt respond well at all to mods... i knew it wasnt a speed demon but i figured it'd respond to mods liek a honduh does but NOPE
2 cheap horrible paint
3 ac is pretty damned weak
4 they're becoming the newest ricer mobile
5 gas mileage is hard to keep consistent whether it's high or low... my best mpg runs lately have been on a 180 mile roadtrip with an average speed of 90 believe that.....
6 honduh forkers laughing..
7 worst clutch ever.... toyota didnt realize with quicker gearing , more weight and a more enthusiast based demographic that theyre cheap echo carryover parts wouldnt hold up.... nothing like a 800+ dollar clutch job to see that it doesnt happen again... hell my clutch started slipping at 5000 MILES!!!!
8 theyre starting to get REALLY played out.... and without having more than 10k in one it will never win a show at all. let alone just street cred
9 umm....overpriced parts since it's new...
10 it's WRONG WHEEL DRIVE
2 cheap horrible paint
3 ac is pretty damned weak
4 they're becoming the newest ricer mobile
5 gas mileage is hard to keep consistent whether it's high or low... my best mpg runs lately have been on a 180 mile roadtrip with an average speed of 90 believe that.....
6 honduh forkers laughing..
7 worst clutch ever.... toyota didnt realize with quicker gearing , more weight and a more enthusiast based demographic that theyre cheap echo carryover parts wouldnt hold up.... nothing like a 800+ dollar clutch job to see that it doesnt happen again... hell my clutch started slipping at 5000 MILES!!!!
8 theyre starting to get REALLY played out.... and without having more than 10k in one it will never win a show at all. let alone just street cred
9 umm....overpriced parts since it's new...
10 it's WRONG WHEEL DRIVE
I don't plan on modding for more power... its not a good platform to start with... and this engine is designed for economy, not performance. FWD sucks... but it makes cars affordable... and its good in the snow. I got an automatic since my other cars are manuals.... glad I did as I use the box for city drives and its nice to have... Thanks for your comments
11-03-2005, 07:36 PM
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Re: erase the hate
Originally Posted by mikem53
Originally Posted by svt_to_xb
trust me folks, there are alot worse cars for the money. I think I test drove alot of them. find me another car for around 14,500 with all these power options. Traction control, abs and stability control. You won't. I think instead of hate we should say dislike. Most cars can be improved apon. fix, all those problems you hate and the car would cost you double. Enjoy it for what it is, not what it isn't.
11-03-2005, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mikem53
Originally Posted by hotbox05
1 too slow. , doesnt respond well at all to mods... i knew it wasnt a speed demon but i figured it'd respond to mods liek a honduh does but NOPE
2 cheap horrible paint
3 ac is pretty damned weak
4 they're becoming the newest ricer mobile
5 gas mileage is hard to keep consistent whether it's high or low... my best mpg runs lately have been on a 180 mile roadtrip with an average speed of 90 believe that.....
6 honduh forkers laughing..
7 worst clutch ever.... toyota didnt realize with quicker gearing , more weight and a more enthusiast based demographic that theyre cheap echo carryover parts wouldnt hold up.... nothing like a 800+ dollar clutch job to see that it doesnt happen again... hell my clutch started slipping at 5000 MILES!!!!
8 theyre starting to get REALLY played out.... and without having more than 10k in one it will never win a show at all. let alone just street cred
9 umm....overpriced parts since it's new...
10 it's WRONG WHEEL DRIVE
2 cheap horrible paint
3 ac is pretty damned weak
4 they're becoming the newest ricer mobile
5 gas mileage is hard to keep consistent whether it's high or low... my best mpg runs lately have been on a 180 mile roadtrip with an average speed of 90 believe that.....
6 honduh forkers laughing..
7 worst clutch ever.... toyota didnt realize with quicker gearing , more weight and a more enthusiast based demographic that theyre cheap echo carryover parts wouldnt hold up.... nothing like a 800+ dollar clutch job to see that it doesnt happen again... hell my clutch started slipping at 5000 MILES!!!!
8 theyre starting to get REALLY played out.... and without having more than 10k in one it will never win a show at all. let alone just street cred
9 umm....overpriced parts since it's new...
10 it's WRONG WHEEL DRIVE
I don't plan on modding for more power... its not a good platform to start with... and this engine is designed for economy, not performance. FWD sucks... but it makes cars affordable... and its good in the snow. I got an automatic since my other cars are manuals.... glad I did as I use the box for city drives and its nice to have... Thanks for your comments