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Old 05-12-2009 | 07:43 PM
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Fred, you already have the turbo kit? If so, this project should be very interesting. I like it!

The TC SC adds 42 to about 48bhp. If Toyota can add this as an option for an auto ( the drivetrain deal is shortened to 12K ) you'd think the turbo would work fine at somewhere south of 230bhp.

The 1 thing I don't like is how lazy the shift is. I'm thinking valve body but it could be the electronics.
Actually, Fedex has my kit. I just ordered AEM UEGO and boost gauges and 440cc Destschwerks injectors yesterday. I haven't decided whether to get the AEM FIC now or wait to see if I really need it. I'd like to wait until a PnP harness is available. I'm hoping that the ECU can handle 5psi with 20% larger injectors but I won't know until I try it. IMO the TRD SC flash might be worth a try but the money might be better spent on the FIC and tune.

As for the AT, I believe it can handle south of 230bhp if you don't abuse it and I'm willing to risk it. I've heard that even with a shift kit the ECU still keeps the lazy shift. I'll probably add a tranny cooler to be safe.
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Fred, you already have the turbo kit? If so, this project should be very interesting. I like it!

The TC SC adds 42 to about 48bhp. If Toyota can add this as an option for an auto ( the drivetrain deal is shortened to 12K ) you'd think the turbo would work fine at somewhere south of 230bhp.

The 1 thing I don't like is how lazy the shift is. I'm thinking valve body but it could be the electronics.
Actually, Fedex has my kit. I just ordered AEM UEGO and boost gauges and 440cc Destschwerks injectors yesterday. I haven't decided whether to get the AEM FIC now or wait to see if I really need it. I'd like to wait until a PnP harness is available. I'm hoping that the ECU can handle 5psi with 20% larger injectors but I won't know until I try it. IMO the TRD SC flash might be worth a try but the money might be better spent on the FIC and tune.

As for the AT, I believe it can handle south of 230bhp if you don't abuse it and I'm willing to risk it. I've heard that even with a shift kit the ECU still keeps the lazy shift. I'll probably add a tranny cooler to be safe.
Hey Fred, get everything together & see what you have first. You'll want to know what the AF is at different ranges & EGT since IT is the end product.

440s should work well. The Denso ECU is really pretty good. 20% might be a little much to learn, but I went from 320s to 370s on my 05 blower car & it worked out AF = 11.6 to 1 after a few tanks of fuel ( maybe 3 ). That said, a real tune would be much better since there are more issues than just AF - So, IMHO the TRD tune is not optimal. Still this is all speculation.

There's a shift kit for the XB? Cooler, yes & something as big as you can fit, like something for a T350 in a sedan.

Keep us posted
Old 05-12-2009 | 09:16 PM
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Hey Fred, get everything together & see what you have first. You'll want to know what the AF is at different ranges & EGT since IT is the end product.

440s should work well. The Denso ECU is really pretty good. 20% might be a little much to learn, but I went from 320s to 370s on my 05 blower car & it worked out AF = 11.6 to 1 after a few tanks of fuel ( maybe 3 ). That said, a real tune would be much better since there are more issues than just AF - So, IMHO the TRD tune is not optimal. Still this is all speculation.

There's a shift kit for the XB? Cooler, yes & something as big as you can fit, like something for a T350 in a sedan.

Keep us posted
Ideally I'd like 550cc but I'm sure they'd be too much for the ECU. I suspect that the SC flash also pulls some timing and should be pretty close for a 5-6psi turbo but it's all just speculation on my part.

I just happened across a post in the TC FI section saying that the ECU kind of overrides a modified valve body. OTOH, there are other posts saying that a vavle body helps a lot. Apparently there is no kit available so it was probably an IPT or Level10 valve body.

I haven't read this yet but it looks very interesting.

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...anny&&start=20
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IPT Valve Body Modification = ~600
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The link is very interesting.... I need to spend more time reading this site.

A rule of thumb is the injector size should not exceed the size of the engine. 600's would make that number. With the available management, the rule is out the window. The SC tune will pull timing but it may be way off from what your turbo wants. Then add 440s to the mix....... I do not know. I think at 5 -6 #, I'd leave everything as is. Log some data.......
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IPT Valve Body Modification = ~600
That looks good. If it improves the shift 50% it would be worth it. To me the Xb is a very layze, Layze. Eliminate 1 layze = win.

1 thing I haven't found anyone using is the Weapon manifold.
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cause you need to something to tune for it its not a simple bolt on
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Originally Posted by Steve60
The link is very interesting.... I need to spend more time reading this site.

A rule of thumb is the injector size should not exceed the size of the engine. 600's would make that number. With the available management, the rule is out the window. The SC tune will pull timing but it may be way off from what your turbo wants. Then add 440s to the mix....... I do not know. I think at 5 -6 #, I'd leave everything as is. Log some data.......
Thanks. That sounds like a good plan. I checked and I could fit one monster of a tranny cooler up front but I settled for a 11x7x3/4" B&M rated for 13,000 BTU. I think it will do the job and it was only $47 from Amazon. Now I just have to determine which is the supply line and which is the return...
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I'm in the process of getting my xD turbo'd by Todd over at TT and mine is also an AUTO...I believe were gonna run it at 9#'s of boost and were shooting for HP numbers anywhere from 180-200 since it's about 105 to the wheels stock...Todd seems to think my tranny will hold up fine but only time will tell...

Might have to look into getting a tranny cooler myself...
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YELOSUB, for sure. Get a cooler.
BYTW - 200 in an XD = BIG FUN. I have a Cooper "S" with a little over 200, it's a little over 100lbs lighter but won't make the TQ your XD will make.
This is a fun project. Keep us posted.........
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