how american is our xb2? JW
12-19-2007 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by madmarx
It is hard to put the entire blame on the manufacturers practices.
The workers are as much at falt as the mangers. With the help of the Unions assemblers with nothing more than a high school degree were making as much as 25$/ hour in the 70's. With full benifits, paid time off, coffee breaks, and a general care less attitude, it is amazing that american manufacturing can compete even with government subsidies and trade restrictions.
You don't like the situation your in, then encourage your children to focus in school get a college education and work at least half as hard as your foreign competition. While you may be content to rot with a beer and a cigarette blaming the enemy outside the gate; decent hard working farmers, carpenters, and research scientist have been surviving on far less than what automotive assemblers are spoon fed from the day they get their union card. Get down off your ego and find a way to better yourself.
Oh and if you had saved some of that money you were making in the glory days, you could live off your investments instead of waiting for the mail man to bring your social security check, pension check, disability check, or whatever other government money they take out of my pocket to give to you.
The workers are as much at falt as the mangers. With the help of the Unions assemblers with nothing more than a high school degree were making as much as 25$/ hour in the 70's. With full benifits, paid time off, coffee breaks, and a general care less attitude, it is amazing that american manufacturing can compete even with government subsidies and trade restrictions.
You don't like the situation your in, then encourage your children to focus in school get a college education and work at least half as hard as your foreign competition. While you may be content to rot with a beer and a cigarette blaming the enemy outside the gate; decent hard working farmers, carpenters, and research scientist have been surviving on far less than what automotive assemblers are spoon fed from the day they get their union card. Get down off your ego and find a way to better yourself.
Oh and if you had saved some of that money you were making in the glory days, you could live off your investments instead of waiting for the mail man to bring your social security check, pension check, disability check, or whatever other government money they take out of my pocket to give to you.
I agree with you for the most part, but you also have to understand that with the way things are going right now & the way the country is being ran, the powers that be currently are really screwing with people's overall quality of life here in the US & are leaving the younger generation with a big mess to clean up financially. Have you seen the value of the dollar lately??
So, I do think its not all their fault.
12-19-2007 | 10:30 PM
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From: Parsippany, NJ
Originally Posted by peestandingup
Originally Posted by madmarx
It is hard to put the entire blame on the manufacturers practices.
The workers are as much at falt as the mangers. With the help of the Unions assemblers with nothing more than a high school degree were making as much as 25$/ hour in the 70's. With full benifits, paid time off, coffee breaks, and a general care less attitude, it is amazing that american manufacturing can compete even with government subsidies and trade restrictions.
You don't like the situation your in, then encourage your children to focus in school get a college education and work at least half as hard as your foreign competition. While you may be content to rot with a beer and a cigarette blaming the enemy outside the gate; decent hard working farmers, carpenters, and research scientist have been surviving on far less than what automotive assemblers are spoon fed from the day they get their union card. Get down off your ego and find a way to better yourself.
Oh and if you had saved some of that money you were making in the glory days, you could live off your investments instead of waiting for the mail man to bring your social security check, pension check, disability check, or whatever other government money they take out of my pocket to give to you.
The workers are as much at falt as the mangers. With the help of the Unions assemblers with nothing more than a high school degree were making as much as 25$/ hour in the 70's. With full benifits, paid time off, coffee breaks, and a general care less attitude, it is amazing that american manufacturing can compete even with government subsidies and trade restrictions.
You don't like the situation your in, then encourage your children to focus in school get a college education and work at least half as hard as your foreign competition. While you may be content to rot with a beer and a cigarette blaming the enemy outside the gate; decent hard working farmers, carpenters, and research scientist have been surviving on far less than what automotive assemblers are spoon fed from the day they get their union card. Get down off your ego and find a way to better yourself.
Oh and if you had saved some of that money you were making in the glory days, you could live off your investments instead of waiting for the mail man to bring your social security check, pension check, disability check, or whatever other government money they take out of my pocket to give to you.
I agree with you for the most part, but you also have to understand that with the way things are going right now & the way the country is being ran, the powers that be currently are really screwing with people's overall quality of life here in the US & are leaving the younger generation with a big mess to clean up financially. Have you seen the value of the dollar lately??
So, I do think its not all their fault.
12-19-2007 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CarbonXe
Originally Posted by peestandingup
Originally Posted by madmarx
It is hard to put the entire blame on the manufacturers practices.
The workers are as much at falt as the mangers. With the help of the Unions assemblers with nothing more than a high school degree were making as much as 25$/ hour in the 70's. With full benifits, paid time off, coffee breaks, and a general care less attitude, it is amazing that american manufacturing can compete even with government subsidies and trade restrictions.
You don't like the situation your in, then encourage your children to focus in school get a college education and work at least half as hard as your foreign competition. While you may be content to rot with a beer and a cigarette blaming the enemy outside the gate; decent hard working farmers, carpenters, and research scientist have been surviving on far less than what automotive assemblers are spoon fed from the day they get their union card. Get down off your ego and find a way to better yourself.
Oh and if you had saved some of that money you were making in the glory days, you could live off your investments instead of waiting for the mail man to bring your social security check, pension check, disability check, or whatever other government money they take out of my pocket to give to you.
The workers are as much at falt as the mangers. With the help of the Unions assemblers with nothing more than a high school degree were making as much as 25$/ hour in the 70's. With full benifits, paid time off, coffee breaks, and a general care less attitude, it is amazing that american manufacturing can compete even with government subsidies and trade restrictions.
You don't like the situation your in, then encourage your children to focus in school get a college education and work at least half as hard as your foreign competition. While you may be content to rot with a beer and a cigarette blaming the enemy outside the gate; decent hard working farmers, carpenters, and research scientist have been surviving on far less than what automotive assemblers are spoon fed from the day they get their union card. Get down off your ego and find a way to better yourself.
Oh and if you had saved some of that money you were making in the glory days, you could live off your investments instead of waiting for the mail man to bring your social security check, pension check, disability check, or whatever other government money they take out of my pocket to give to you.
I agree with you for the most part, but you also have to understand that with the way things are going right now & the way the country is being ran, the powers that be currently are really screwing with people's overall quality of life here in the US & are leaving the younger generation with a big mess to clean up financially. Have you seen the value of the dollar lately??
So, I do think its not all their fault.
12-20-2007 | 02:28 AM
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From: Parsippany, NJ
Originally Posted by peestandingup
For realz. Depending on the outcome of the election, we just might move there or somewhere else in Europe. I love my country, but damn.
And what do you mean by the outcome of the election, no matter who wins, we're ____ed. The only thing that could possibly help us is if Ron Paul wins, but that would take too long to basically restart over again. The Bush administration has dug a hole way too deep for anyone to recover from, it's going to be another 15-20 years until this country is the way it was before WW2.
12-20-2007 | 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by CarbonXe
The Bush administration has dug a hole way too deep for anyone to recover from, it's going to be another 15-20 years until this country is the way it was before WW2.
I feel NAFTA has been the most detrimental. Whos bright idea was that?
How in the HE11 does being first Lady for 8 years count as presidential experience. Before stupid NY made Billary a senator she had ZERO elected experience. If the american public is stupid enough to elect that ho God Help Us.
12-20-2007 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bB2NER
Originally Posted by CarbonXe
The Bush administration has dug a hole way too deep for anyone to recover from, it's going to be another 15-20 years until this country is the way it was before WW2.
I feel NAFTA has been the most detrimental. Whos bright idea was that?
How in the HE11 does being first Lady for 8 years count as presidential experience. Before stupid NY made Billary a senator she had ZERO elected experience. If the american public is stupid enough to elect that ho God Help Us.
Back on topic, xB2 = least American car ever made to be driven in America.
12-20-2007 | 10:34 AM
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There is an air of inevitability to what happened to Detroit. History is filled with examples of how companies are unable to maintain the edge required to be the top dog. Xerox, ATT, Microsoft, Marathon Oil, Sony, Motorola, Cisco,...etc.
In time, Japanese car companies will lose their ability to compete as well. They too will start to move manufacturing out of Japan and to places like India, China or some other foreign land. (Don't kid yourself either: Toyota will be coming headlong into the same legacy costs that the Detroit 3 are now facing.) Their expertise in manufacturing will be passed along to someone else, and that other person will innovate and create a new company to replace the old men and their companies.
I think there's irony to Chrysler bringing in Chinese cars into the US.
In time, Japanese car companies will lose their ability to compete as well. They too will start to move manufacturing out of Japan and to places like India, China or some other foreign land. (Don't kid yourself either: Toyota will be coming headlong into the same legacy costs that the Detroit 3 are now facing.) Their expertise in manufacturing will be passed along to someone else, and that other person will innovate and create a new company to replace the old men and their companies.
I think there's irony to Chrysler bringing in Chinese cars into the US.
12-20-2007 | 03:13 PM
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Currently we own a Toyota Sienna and a Toyota Camry. The Camry will be replaced with an XB2. I am waiting to see the RS prior to buying the XB2.
The Sienna replaced a Buick. I always thought it was odd that my Japanese car (camry) was made in Kentucky and my American car (buick) was made in Mexico. Well at least they were assembled in those locations and the conversation is about factory jobs.
The buick gave us so many problems compared to the camry and sienna. When we first got the buick my wife wondered what the odd noises were coming from the engine. She was use to the quiet/smooth camry and her previous honda. We were told those engine noises/vibrations were normal for these american cars
Anyway, I always got a kick telling others my toyota was assembled in the US and my american car was assembled in mexico. Not sure where the Sienna is assembled. Either the US or Canada.
As far as the XB2 is concerned, I believe its done completely in Japan.
The Sienna replaced a Buick. I always thought it was odd that my Japanese car (camry) was made in Kentucky and my American car (buick) was made in Mexico. Well at least they were assembled in those locations and the conversation is about factory jobs.
The buick gave us so many problems compared to the camry and sienna. When we first got the buick my wife wondered what the odd noises were coming from the engine. She was use to the quiet/smooth camry and her previous honda. We were told those engine noises/vibrations were normal for these american cars
Anyway, I always got a kick telling others my toyota was assembled in the US and my american car was assembled in mexico. Not sure where the Sienna is assembled. Either the US or Canada.
As far as the XB2 is concerned, I believe its done completely in Japan.
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