Whoops, I traded my xb for an insight
05-30-2009 | 04:55 AM
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Just wanted to know if you've been able to figure out the gas mileage's actual figures. It's just hard to believe it's over 50, i noticed the rated mileage is in the 40's. Do you drive normally or do you turn off the car and coast and all that other stuff?
05-31-2009 | 02:32 AM
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Thanks, I miss the scions I have owned and the previous owners I have met and meetings I have attended. Sure I have spent a lot of money, but also had a lot of fun.
Just seems Honda doesnt have the same thing. I was always on the look out for swag with the scion logo, nothing like that with the honda. Heck, their accessories are twice as expensive. 725 for fogs, 362 online discount.
On the other hand, the car handles nice, I wont be adding sways, maybe lower for more fuel economy. Its has more road noise, speakers are cheaper, but like the steering response. I like the easy steer with vs feed back at higher speeds. One reason I liked the tacoma I use to have vs scion xb as the steering my wrist hurt for long trips. No mater how I drove the tacoma, it got 18mpg.
The mpg is 2 less than the display and everything effects it. Having a pasenger, ac temp, lights on or off, cruse vs no cruse, using paddle shifters to accelerate qicker or not, P&G or FGAS hypermiling techniques. first tank 44, second and third 50mpg. The max is like 63 mpg because of the design, the 2nd gen prius the top was like 109 mpg before any mods.
It regens when braking and I upshift to further enhance this vs using the brakes. Below 7mph it stops the engine and is electric only, unless hybrid pack is low. Then it will idle and burn gas.
Like the xa, this little motor loves to rev, so if you are not careful it can easily hit 3-4 grand while accelerating, although it sounds nice, you are just wasting gas. I follow the blue/green display and try to keep it green. I also use the paddle shifter to help it accelerate by downshifting. Since its a new car I go posted limits and have hit 60 once. it seems the idea speed is 40 bymyself, 35 with passenger.
It seems the torque converter locks at almost any speed where as the xb was at 37mph once warmmed up. This is where the tach dips another 500 rpms like you have 5 vs 4 gears. I do the xa trckp of lifting to let the vvt adjust before hitting cruse and when accelerating to keep the rpms in the thousands so it accelerates with the torque converter locked too.
In addition to replacing all lamps with leds, the heads with hids, I want to get a block heater as I live on a hill and the hybrid system does not work when the engine is cold.
Inaddition to lowering it, I want to see about adding a small battery pack that I recharge with a diode attached or valve, so the pack battery is supplements by my battery I recharge at home, but the hybrid system does not see it when it comes to recharging. Other people have done this and infact have added a pack from the civic hybrid with no problems. Keep in mind the pack is like 165 volts at 4.5 amps and its only used at like 30% or capacity and seldoms has a full charge. This leads to it charging the battery while crusing and other counter productive behavior while driving.
Yes its more efficient than without it, but it can puzzle a new owner to see it provide assist at once stop light, then another it charges the pack. One reason I want a switch on my pack so I can turn it on when more assist is needed and the hybrid pack is in need of a charge.
Just seems Honda doesnt have the same thing. I was always on the look out for swag with the scion logo, nothing like that with the honda. Heck, their accessories are twice as expensive. 725 for fogs, 362 online discount.
On the other hand, the car handles nice, I wont be adding sways, maybe lower for more fuel economy. Its has more road noise, speakers are cheaper, but like the steering response. I like the easy steer with vs feed back at higher speeds. One reason I liked the tacoma I use to have vs scion xb as the steering my wrist hurt for long trips. No mater how I drove the tacoma, it got 18mpg.
The mpg is 2 less than the display and everything effects it. Having a pasenger, ac temp, lights on or off, cruse vs no cruse, using paddle shifters to accelerate qicker or not, P&G or FGAS hypermiling techniques. first tank 44, second and third 50mpg. The max is like 63 mpg because of the design, the 2nd gen prius the top was like 109 mpg before any mods.
It regens when braking and I upshift to further enhance this vs using the brakes. Below 7mph it stops the engine and is electric only, unless hybrid pack is low. Then it will idle and burn gas.
Like the xa, this little motor loves to rev, so if you are not careful it can easily hit 3-4 grand while accelerating, although it sounds nice, you are just wasting gas. I follow the blue/green display and try to keep it green. I also use the paddle shifter to help it accelerate by downshifting. Since its a new car I go posted limits and have hit 60 once. it seems the idea speed is 40 bymyself, 35 with passenger.
It seems the torque converter locks at almost any speed where as the xb was at 37mph once warmmed up. This is where the tach dips another 500 rpms like you have 5 vs 4 gears. I do the xa trckp of lifting to let the vvt adjust before hitting cruse and when accelerating to keep the rpms in the thousands so it accelerates with the torque converter locked too.
In addition to replacing all lamps with leds, the heads with hids, I want to get a block heater as I live on a hill and the hybrid system does not work when the engine is cold.
Inaddition to lowering it, I want to see about adding a small battery pack that I recharge with a diode attached or valve, so the pack battery is supplements by my battery I recharge at home, but the hybrid system does not see it when it comes to recharging. Other people have done this and infact have added a pack from the civic hybrid with no problems. Keep in mind the pack is like 165 volts at 4.5 amps and its only used at like 30% or capacity and seldoms has a full charge. This leads to it charging the battery while crusing and other counter productive behavior while driving.
Yes its more efficient than without it, but it can puzzle a new owner to see it provide assist at once stop light, then another it charges the pack. One reason I want a switch on my pack so I can turn it on when more assist is needed and the hybrid pack is in need of a charge.
Originally Posted by mb2008
Just wanted to know if you've been able to figure out the gas mileage's actual figures. It's just hard to believe it's over 50, i noticed the rated mileage is in the 40's. Do you drive normally or do you turn off the car and coast and all that other stuff?
06-03-2009 | 12:43 PM
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This body kit is the first. Honda has a few like fogs, cargo mat, cargo cover, bumper aplique, floor mats, car cover, block heater, and such. Then for the Europe market they have the illuminated door sils and a few others.
Originally Posted by mb2008
Are they making aftermarket accessories for the insight?
06-04-2009 | 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by cobb
No offense taken from drx, Ive meet him in DE at a dyno show. If he had stayed around he would of seen my big bad truck pulled a whopping 167 hp 208 torque. I started to get some knocking of the engine and some blower rattle and traded it with the scion for the insight. I wrecked my scion a few months ago and it was never the same. I got trade for both vehicles and 3 gs from my enployer. I let everything but the hids go.
Did I say the insight is 18 grand and change? I made in this deal. The last straw was the fact toy finanical would not refinance, just defer payment for 2 months, charge interest for each month til I paid that back.
I had a pay cut and need to lower my monthly expenses. Whats next than to trade 2 for 1 and get the payments from the start for what you need? Sure I may pay longer down the road, but I have own new and used cars, you pay about 300 a month on average for maintenance. I do mostly highway driving, some stop n go. Plus insurance is cheaper, nothing like getting 230 bucks back after prepaying for 6 months.
I had started my day with the Toy dealer, but they again were uninterested in selling me a prius with option 3 at sticker 23,5. After a quick drive by a few days later I visited the honda dealer next door to see what the insight was about and how it was affordable as the civic is 25 grand. I parked my truck up front so the toyota people can see it.
After 15 minutes of looking at the car on display, someone came out and offered a test drive. He said it looks like a prius, but thats all. Hes right, its a very peppy car with a huge tach, paddle shifters and a sport mode. THe tranny is a cvc, ever drive a nissan murano? Its like that. Only unusualness about the car is the green/blue glow as you drive efficiently or not, the drift of a few mph of the cruse control, engine dying at stop lights. It has a nice throaty sound and had a 6 grand red line. Comes with dunlop low resistance tires with MS rating.
The dealer offered free sodas, 2 years free car washes. The previous sales person promised me free car washes with my xa, but nothing was in writing and it was not true. Second with my xb, the two times I visited the shop, it was returned unwashed.
Half a tank 256 miles on 5.6 gallons. Thats mix of highway and city. Filled up to get a better reading this weekend with mostly hwy driving tonight and tomorrow.
I do miss the scion, but the fuel economy, financing and feeling of my car went away. Sure I miss my truck too, but got out of it before too much major went wrong. I was shocked my local junkyard had no tacomas of any year. I had assumed the v6 was common and easy to get if I sprayed my engine and blew it.
ack154, WHAT!!!! Havent you seen that episode of southpark about smug pollution? I had a print shop quote me 40 bucks for a tint strip that said that, I ended up making one myself. Sure I could of put HONDA up there, but from the front you can not tell its a hybrid, only the rear at that it looks like a crx or older gen insight.
Lastly, unlike the hondas I have driven into the shop at the tire store i use to work at, this one is roomy for the driver. Sure the rear is smaller, but my passengers seldom pay for fuel.
Did I say the insight is 18 grand and change? I made in this deal. The last straw was the fact toy finanical would not refinance, just defer payment for 2 months, charge interest for each month til I paid that back.
I had a pay cut and need to lower my monthly expenses. Whats next than to trade 2 for 1 and get the payments from the start for what you need? Sure I may pay longer down the road, but I have own new and used cars, you pay about 300 a month on average for maintenance. I do mostly highway driving, some stop n go. Plus insurance is cheaper, nothing like getting 230 bucks back after prepaying for 6 months.
I had started my day with the Toy dealer, but they again were uninterested in selling me a prius with option 3 at sticker 23,5. After a quick drive by a few days later I visited the honda dealer next door to see what the insight was about and how it was affordable as the civic is 25 grand. I parked my truck up front so the toyota people can see it.
After 15 minutes of looking at the car on display, someone came out and offered a test drive. He said it looks like a prius, but thats all. Hes right, its a very peppy car with a huge tach, paddle shifters and a sport mode. THe tranny is a cvc, ever drive a nissan murano? Its like that. Only unusualness about the car is the green/blue glow as you drive efficiently or not, the drift of a few mph of the cruse control, engine dying at stop lights. It has a nice throaty sound and had a 6 grand red line. Comes with dunlop low resistance tires with MS rating.
The dealer offered free sodas, 2 years free car washes. The previous sales person promised me free car washes with my xa, but nothing was in writing and it was not true. Second with my xb, the two times I visited the shop, it was returned unwashed.
Half a tank 256 miles on 5.6 gallons. Thats mix of highway and city. Filled up to get a better reading this weekend with mostly hwy driving tonight and tomorrow.
I do miss the scion, but the fuel economy, financing and feeling of my car went away. Sure I miss my truck too, but got out of it before too much major went wrong. I was shocked my local junkyard had no tacomas of any year. I had assumed the v6 was common and easy to get if I sprayed my engine and blew it.
ack154, WHAT!!!! Havent you seen that episode of southpark about smug pollution? I had a print shop quote me 40 bucks for a tint strip that said that, I ended up making one myself. Sure I could of put HONDA up there, but from the front you can not tell its a hybrid, only the rear at that it looks like a crx or older gen insight.
Lastly, unlike the hondas I have driven into the shop at the tire store i use to work at, this one is roomy for the driver. Sure the rear is smaller, but my passengers seldom pay for fuel.
! If in addition, you enjoy driving it, then what could be better? I'm sorry to learn your xB got screwed up by some kind of accident, but if this is your new ride and you're satisfied, then good for you! (And yeah, the cost of gasoline sucks, and there's no reason to expect it to improve with time 
!)However, I don't really understand why you would announce it here as if it were the best thing since sliced bread ??? Well, perhaps for you, but it really wouldn't work for me. My single biggest consideration was interior cargo capability, and the xB is a hands down winner for that. In fact, my '90 Eclipse GSX is putting a little pressure on the xB gas mileage at this point, but only a little
! Still, what you've bought has to be a perfectly respectable commuter car, and I congratulate you on your fuel savings! Happy driving and God bless !
06-04-2009 | 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by cobb
Marketing at its best? Most low rolling resistance tires were as wide as a bicycle tires, like my metro. Nothing like trying to find tires for 12 inch rims.
I think they used too much tire shine and put it all over the tire, not just the outside. I have yet to have the traction control or skid control come on, I use to trigger that daily with my xb.
I think they used too much tire shine and put it all over the tire, not just the outside. I have yet to have the traction control or skid control come on, I use to trigger that daily with my xb.
Originally Posted by draxcaliber
doesn't sound so appealing to be driving around on low traction tires now does it?
. I had a 1979 Honda Civic CVCC -- ten years later, finding tires for its 12" rims had become an actual chore, but it was a great car -- loved the appearance, sporty performance, and great fuel economy! I've yet to trigger any of the safety features of my xB, but at least they're there, making it my official winter car. When I bought my '90 Eclipse, there really weren't any safety features outside of the restraining belts, but that was the way I wanted it ! I believed in my reaction times and judgement, not some electronic module! Seriously, I congratulate you on your car choice and here's hoping it lives up to your driving needs (including taking your parents to the doctor's )!
06-04-2009 | 04:58 PM
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52mpg, little under 300 miles traveled at half a tank of gas. Nice handling, wwwaaaayyyy more power than the prius. Love the oem lighting as is, the prius I thought had an electrical issue. Knee in way of shifter on the prius, now the steering wheel blocks the speedopod.
I call BS on the power...I cant see that at all.
2009 Prius
Net Hp 110
Gas Engine 76
Electric motor hp 67
Electric motor hp 295
Insight
Net Hp 98
Gas Engine 88
Electric motor hp 13
Electric motor hp 58
2010 Prius
Net Hp 134
Gas Engine 98
Electric motor hp 80
Electric motor hp 105
The Insight stills need the gas engine in at all times unlike the Prius that can run on battery power......Maybe thats what you meant...power off the line since its a mild hyrbid not a full hybrid
I would say congrats on a new car purchase, just cant see getting a noisy hybrid.
06-05-2009 | 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RockBlocker
52mpg, little under 300 miles traveled at half a tank of gas. Nice handling, wwwaaaayyyy more power than the prius. Love the oem lighting as is, the prius I thought had an electrical issue. Knee in way of shifter on the prius, now the steering wheel blocks the speedopod.
I call BS on the power...I cant see that at all.
2009 Prius
Net Hp 110
Gas Engine 76
Electric motor hp 67
Electric motor hp 295
Insight
Net Hp 98
Gas Engine 88
Electric motor hp 13
Electric motor hp 58
2010 Prius
Net Hp 134
Gas Engine 98
Electric motor hp 80
Electric motor hp 105
The Insight stills need the gas engine in at all times unlike the Prius that can run on battery power......Maybe thats what you meant...power off the line since its a mild hyrbid not a full hybrid
I would say congrats on a new car purchase, just cant see getting a noisy hybrid.
I haven't seen to much on the 2010 prius, I bet they'll bring it and one up Honda, I hope. I was kinda waiting to see what they would do on the next module. I wouldn't knock him for buying it, but lets dump the sticker on the window. lol
06-05-2009 | 02:42 PM
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2009 Prius
Gas Engine torque 82
Electric Motor (MG2) torgue 295
2010 Insight
Gas Engine torque 88
Electric Motor (MG2) torgue 58
2010 Prius
Gas Engine torque 105
Electric Motor (MG2) torgue 153
EV Mode and Power Mode not available on Insight
Do you know why VSC and Traction are standard on a Prius - The car has so much torque if you turned it off you could blow the powertrain up.
I could see the jump to an Insight over dollars and cents... Sales for them are sluggish in the U.S. and they are willing to deal on an unproven vehicle.
BTW, I have driven all three of them in case anyone is wondering
Gas Engine torque 82
Electric Motor (MG2) torgue 295
2010 Insight
Gas Engine torque 88
Electric Motor (MG2) torgue 58
2010 Prius
Gas Engine torque 105
Electric Motor (MG2) torgue 153
EV Mode and Power Mode not available on Insight
Do you know why VSC and Traction are standard on a Prius - The car has so much torque if you turned it off you could blow the powertrain up.
I could see the jump to an Insight over dollars and cents... Sales for them are sluggish in the U.S. and they are willing to deal on an unproven vehicle.
BTW, I have driven all three of them in case anyone is wondering
06-07-2009 | 12:40 AM
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I have traveled about 1200 miles on the tank of fuel the dealer gave me and 2 half fill ups. I do miss the xb, but I do not miss fillup 12 gallons every 345 miles.
Here is the insight in action and me bouncing off the traction control as I turn the corner, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25ZQQhiYet8 Kind of like using a weed eater or chain saw.
By the seat of my pants,the honda feels quicker and more throttle response from the 08 prius. I dont really care now and do not want to start a war, hybrids are a win win for everyonw. I just wished the local toy dealer would of sold me a prius. Sure the design of the prius and the right driver can get 100+ mpg, but I am happy now with 50+.
The new dealer has free car washes for 2 years, free coke zero cola in the show room.
Here is the insight in action and me bouncing off the traction control as I turn the corner, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25ZQQhiYet8 Kind of like using a weed eater or chain saw.
By the seat of my pants,the honda feels quicker and more throttle response from the 08 prius. I dont really care now and do not want to start a war, hybrids are a win win for everyonw. I just wished the local toy dealer would of sold me a prius. Sure the design of the prius and the right driver can get 100+ mpg, but I am happy now with 50+.
The new dealer has free car washes for 2 years, free coke zero cola in the show room.
06-07-2009 | 02:33 AM
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Hey, dude! Congratulations on your new ride -- sure wish I could claim 50 or more mpg ! Screw the comparisons, there will always be some car that may be better or may be worse -- that isn't the point. What matters is having a car that works for you! Many happy miles !
! Screw the comparisons, there will always be some car that may be better or may be worse -- that isn't the point. What matters is having a car that works for you! Many happy miles !
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