randomsuper

would i be able to use a 5mm spacer for the front without using extended lugs? i really just want to slap them on and go, plus if i change wheels i'd like the option of not having to uninstall everything.

here's what i'm looking at purchasing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/5mm-W...item35ab2e5f34

ScionFred

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Our wheel studs were sized for mag style lug nuts and are therefore short to start with when running conical seat alloy wheels. The only safe way to do what you want is to run ET style lug nuts that add the 5mm of thread engagement that you'll lose with the spacers. With standard lug nuts you'd only have 7-8mm of thread engagement with 5mm spacers and that would be very dangerous, IMO.

randomsuper

you use words i do not understand, but i guess the short answer is no. lol

thanks fred.

ScionFred

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Sorry about that. Maybe this thread will help.

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=185808

I don't like spacers but if you really want to run them you could do so with ET style lug nuts as discussed and pictured in the above thread. Basically ET nuts have a shank that goes into the hole in the wheel, adds 5mm of thread engagement and also helps to center the wheel.

The basic rule of thread engagment is that you need at least the diameter of the stud (12mm in this case). Any less and you run the risk of lug nuts coming loose and other bad things.

randomsuper

thanks for that link. good info on there. currently i'm using the ones i'm linking to at the bottom and i'm not willing to get rid of them yet. maybe later on when i get tired of the gold.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NIPPO...Q5fAccessories

Pasquale

What Fred is trying to tell you is the OE studs are short to begin with and moving them back behind 5mm of spacer your cutting down on meat the lugs need to hold your wheels on lol.

A much safer option would be to put a spacer behind the hub and get longer high strength bolts to hold them down. gen1 spacers should work fine. I have gen1 camber and it works fine.

FF!!!Monster

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I do not believe that there are 5mm hub centric spacers available. My friend had a set of 5's in the front and 8's in the rear and his car vibrated like hell at speeds above 55 mph-ish which led him to sell them a week later. but you can use up to 8 mm, you just have to make sure that you torque the ____ out of them. 5's will be fine. There are plenty of guys here that have used these.

Greg S

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5mm hub centric spacers:

http://www.ichibausa.com/5mmalwhsp7.html

Not cheap but they will work great and come with the extended studs you'll need with the lugs you are running.

ScionFred

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Hmmm... with my MSW wheels I have 11mm of thread engagement without spacers.

11mm minus 8mm spacer = 3mm of thread engagement...

That's 2 turns on the lug nut when 6.5 turns is the bare minimum TUV spec and 8 turns is SAE spec. Just how much torque makes this safe?

FF!!!Monster

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Did not realize you had MSW wheels.Sorry. You will need at least 4 turns to be safe. Well, at least that what I'm seeing within the tc threads.

ScionFred

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No problem, I just wanted to point out that not every wheel has the same mounting flange thickness which makes it impossible to make blanket statements about what size spacers can be safely used with oem wheel studs. I also would never feel safe with only 1/2 of the SAE recommended minimum thread engagement. IMO 6.5 turns (9.75mm) should be considered the bare minimum when using case hardened steel lugnuts and 8 turns (12mm) for all other lug nuts.

I'm sure there are some peeps running around with only 4 turns (6mm) of thread engagement but I would never do it or recommend it to anyone.

EMAN44

Does anyone know how long the OEM wheel studs are? Instead of having to use my awesome, yet plain, Gorilla ET lugs I have at the house, I want to use different lugs like the Muteki's or Ray's...would I just be able to buy the Ichiba 35mm studs and replace the OEM studs?

http://www.fastscions.com/toyotascio...heelstuds.aspx

This way I would never have to worry about the issue of not having enough thread engagement.

I'm not running spacers I just need to know if the 35mm studs would be long enough or if I should go with 45mm...




Emanuel

ScionFred

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OEM replacement wheel studs are listed as 40mm with a 8mm shank. I believe this means 40mm overall length minus the 8mm shank for a 32mm thread length vs 35mm for those Ichiba studs. I'd call Fastscions and ask their opinion.

1GreeKtC

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I have a set of 5mm spacers that I had on my xB2 with no issues what so ever.

Still for sale

GL

Roller_Toaster

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The actual lugs arent hard to change.....3-5 min of work once the wheel is off.
1.Knock originals out
2.Put the new one in
3.Use some big washers + the lugnut +impact/lugwrench to pull them through
4.Put spacer + wheel back on. Done :D

papo

you can run 5 mm spacers safely with no problem, you can even buy 2 sets of 3 mm hubcentric spacers on ebay and stack them, thats how i had it in the rear, and it worked fine for me

ScionFred

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Why even bother with spacers? Just stack some washers on the wheel studs. That's how my friend Jose did it and it worked fine for him. As long as you catch a thread or two, it's safe.